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I think you can imagine what "getting your ID before entering in a computer" implies, well before age related issues.
Besides that, treating children (specially teenagers) like livestock without agency instead of valid persons with valid thoughts and a valid ability to contribute to culture and society feels beyond wrong.
But that's about minor's rights, and by what you said you wouldn't even allow them to vote with some arbitrary "they're stupid" logic.@Nawer_Rapter @joho I hear you, it does sound like different problems right? Being able to vote or use the internet is not necessarily connected with being underage, but some platforms are illegal for underaged for a reason, and companies providing such services to underage kids are the ones that need to be punished for, interestingly enough, treating them as livestock.
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@joho Scan your face or upload id if you have different political opinions than ruling party.
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@Nawer_Rapter @joho how is age related with sexual orientation?
They're not asking solely age. Remember that the drive to ask for IDs is led by Meta. They're using this platform partly to divert blame, but also part to increase the accuracy of their profiles. Which everyone has, as Facebook has cookies on vast majority of websites, not just their own.
Second, they're not asking age solely on sites intended for kids, but on places where people would talk of their politics and preferences. Such as, say, gay person in Russia.
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@davey_cakes @joho your argument is pretty broad, like this is about having all of your life data somehow being uploaded (fun fact, big tech already does a pretty good job with this for profit).
but at the same time it is pretty clear that fascism can pop up out of nowhere and then such data could be brutally misused indeed.
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They're not asking solely age. Remember that the drive to ask for IDs is led by Meta. They're using this platform partly to divert blame, but also part to increase the accuracy of their profiles. Which everyone has, as Facebook has cookies on vast majority of websites, not just their own.
Second, they're not asking age solely on sites intended for kids, but on places where people would talk of their politics and preferences. Such as, say, gay person in Russia.
@iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho if Meta is behind this, then it is really problematic
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@joho Good Lord. I'm so ready to reduce both my screen and internet time significantly.
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@iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho if Meta is behind this, then it is really problematic
It is. This isn't about pedofiles per se, but that kids are using Meta's services before they're of minimum age (iirc 13...16 depending on location). As Meta's services are repeatedly proven to be bad for mental health by design (as happy people don't spend monies), they can't fix the root cause.
So instead of overhauling their systems to be healthy, they're trying to get everyone to give them their IDs.
It's essentially the same discussion as with tobacco.
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@joho Scan your face or upload id if you have different political opinions than ruling party.
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It is. This isn't about pedofiles per se, but that kids are using Meta's services before they're of minimum age (iirc 13...16 depending on location). As Meta's services are repeatedly proven to be bad for mental health by design (as happy people don't spend monies), they can't fix the root cause.
So instead of overhauling their systems to be healthy, they're trying to get everyone to give them their IDs.
It's essentially the same discussion as with tobacco.
@iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho argh, but then, if we imagine that they would revamp their system to be healthy, vulnerables would just migrate to another addictive platform. I would like to see this kind of algorithm effect being forbidden for social media somehow
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@davey_cakes @joho your argument is pretty broad, like this is about having all of your life data somehow being uploaded (fun fact, big tech already does a pretty good job with this for profit).
but at the same time it is pretty clear that fascism can pop up out of nowhere and then such data could be brutally misused indeed.
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@joho and let us brick anyone's phone
... if the London Met Police get their way.
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We are heading towards a Dystopian Surveillance society with no privacy rights.
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We are heading towards a Dystopian Surveillance society with no privacy rights.
@danish_akhtar7 I'm afraid we're already there, the rest is just theory (IMHO).
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@iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho argh, but then, if we imagine that they would revamp their system to be healthy, vulnerables would just migrate to another addictive platform. I would like to see this kind of algorithm effect being forbidden for social media somehow
@gullok @iju @joho Probably the most reliable way and correct way to read all this issue is through the lenses of "if it is problematic for children,it can be problematic for everyone, and thus requires a solution to a problem, rather than a vet of the entire topic"
The true issue at hand here is: gambling mechanisms to get money, and segregation to get money.
The true problem to solve is that the way the world we built pays better for optimizing evil than anything else
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@gullok @iju @joho Probably the most reliable way and correct way to read all this issue is through the lenses of "if it is problematic for children,it can be problematic for everyone, and thus requires a solution to a problem, rather than a vet of the entire topic"
The true issue at hand here is: gambling mechanisms to get money, and segregation to get money.
The true problem to solve is that the way the world we built pays better for optimizing evil than anything else
Sex is it's another story@gullok @iju @joho the excuse of sex, most of the time (if not the entire time) is used to specifically harm two communities: women who have found a kind of work that is safer than it's previous iterations (webcam prostitution vs actual physical prostitution) and queer people. The queers has always been the primary target for saying "kids should never have ever any knowledge about sex or they turn queer and evil and queer and non-christian". Just change "sex" for "queer" and boom, all logical.
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And then harmful sites suddenly incude anything content that doesnt fit the oppressive christian nationalist worldview or corpo agenda. It is just a dangerous slide into total censorship. -
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@joho It does make sense for the first two tho. Or am I wrong?
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@joho Hopefully if this happens tor usage will kick up and people will just start hosting their websites as hidden services.
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@joho It does make sense for the first two tho. Or am I wrong?
@crisps I think that's part of the problem. We, as a society, have failed to keep up with the rapid development of privacy intrusive billion dollar corporations (and government agencies) who, at their core, exploit human rights, such as the right to privacy.
Now the legislative branches and governments are trying to pretend they have a solution to a very difficult problem.
This is a double edged sword, to say the least.
(IMHO, of course)
