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  3. If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for.

If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for.

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  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

    If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

    https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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    #10

    @evacide Relying on generative AI for expert reports poses significant risks to chain of custody and traceability, not to mention the danger of factual hallucinations. An expert's duty is independent, verifiable analysis, which cannot be substituted by algorithms lacking true understanding and provenance.

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    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

      @evacide No one in high-stakes litigation wants a discount expert.

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      #11

      @mattblaze @evacide Oh, I once encountered one on the other side of a case I was involved in. His credentials alone were minimal, but he apparently knew how to forge evidence. At least, I couldn't come up with any other explanation for his report…

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      • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

        @mattblaze @evacide Oh, I once encountered one on the other side of a case I was involved in. His credentials alone were minimal, but he apparently knew how to forge evidence. At least, I couldn't come up with any other explanation for his report…

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        #12

        @SteveBellovin @evacide I hope he charged accordingly for such specialized services!

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        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

          If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

          https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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          #13

          @evacide FFS

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          • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

            If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

            https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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            #14

            @evacide

            KnightHawk Engineering, all parrot no hawk.

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            • barubary@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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              #15

              @phaedral @evacide Found this in a header:

              REPORTER'S RECORD
              TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. 2020-05505-A

              KARYN LAAKE, INDIVIDUALLY
              AND AS REPRESENTATIVE OF
              THE ESTATE OF CATHERINE
              LAAKE, DECEASED,
              et al.

              vs.

              3M COMPANY

              IN THE DISTRICT COURT
              HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS
              11TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT

              Is that what you're looking for?

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              • barubary@infosec.exchangeB barubary@infosec.exchange

                @phaedral @evacide Found this in a header:

                REPORTER'S RECORD
                TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. 2020-05505-A

                KARYN LAAKE, INDIVIDUALLY
                AND AS REPRESENTATIVE OF
                THE ESTATE OF CATHERINE
                LAAKE, DECEASED,
                et al.

                vs.

                3M COMPANY

                IN THE DISTRICT COURT
                HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS
                11TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT

                Is that what you're looking for?

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                #16

                @barubary @evacide Thank you, that should do.me!

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                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                  If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                  https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                  #17

                  @evacide

                  How long before someone is exposed as using AI to present themselves as an expert witness in detecting AI use in expert testimony? 🤪

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                  • I isol@mastodon.au

                    @evacide

                    How long before someone is exposed as using AI to present themselves as an expert witness in detecting AI use in expert testimony? 🤪

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                    #18

                    @isol @evacide

                    Takes one to know one, amirite?

                    (No, he was not right)

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                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                      If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                      https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                      #19

                      @evacide That is really interesting

                      I read to the end, and changed my opinion as I did

                      The use of Gen AI was not unreasonable IMO so long as the "expert" is expert and stands behind the conclusion.

                      Writing these it is important to disclose the use of gen AI and be transparent with your process.

                      Using gen AI to search, collate and organize information is reasonable for an expert in the field

                      A non expert can be exposed with examination and gen AI will not help hide ignorance for long

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                        #20

                        @Cassandra_Complex That is not at all what this story is about.

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                        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                          If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                          https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                          #21

                          @evacide "...and how my background and experience is well suited to render this professional opinion.”

                          Except that it's CrapGPT's opinion, not yours, ya ham-brained bastard! 🙄

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                          • darryl_ramm@hachyderm.ioD darryl_ramm@hachyderm.io

                            @evacide

                            KnightHawk Engineering, all parrot no hawk.

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                            #22

                            @darryl_ramm @evacide all night, no khawk 😂

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                            • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                              If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                              https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                              #23

                              @evacide

                              Expert witness drafts are no longer subject to discovery in US federal court.

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                              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                                #24

                                @evacide I am a bit confused - what *was* the connection between 3M and Watson Grinding?

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                                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                  If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                  https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                                  #25

                                  @evacide

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                                  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                    If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                    https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                                    #26

                                    @evacide
                                    If you *were* an expert witness, ...

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                                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                      If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                      https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                                      #27

                                      @evacide conversely, if your a scumbag expert witness working for some mega corp please continue to use ChatGPT or other llms, tyia

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                                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                        If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                        https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                                        #28

                                        Damien Charlotin: AI Evidence Cases

                                        https://www.damiencharlotin.com/ai-evidence/

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                                        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                          If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                          https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                                          #29

                                          @evacide

                                          I don't remember seeing this in the news.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Houston_explosion

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