computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program themthen in the late 70s, you could finally program them!
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@foone in before "free AI" (this is not going to happen in any way that matters lol)
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go ask anyone, in any field, if it's a good thing that their work is held behind one company's paywall.
See how that works for them.
@foone Here's an answer you might get, in the form of a 74-minute video essay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4mdMMu-3fc
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computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.
DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP
@foone
First I was thinking you were speaking about Apple and in the future Google requiring a paid membership to distribute/run apps to/on mobile devices... -
@foone
Programming is only "free" if your time is worthless.@SvenGeier bro what?
are you... are you comparing learning to program vs using AI with using Linux vs using Windows?
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@foone
Programming is only "free" if your time is worthless.That's like saying reading or drawing or walking among mossy trees is only free if your time is worthless. Time spent doing what you want to do isn't a cost centre my dude.
Is there some argument for letting corporations rent-seek all human activities? That definitely isn't it.
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@foone I remember in the late 80's dad put a copy of Borland Turbo C++, v3 I think (so long ago), and I started my C adventures on that. Then in '96 I found DJGPP, and as I didn't understand Borlands 16-bit C modes I could write "big" programs for the first time.
But to make stuff on Windows I needed Visual C++, which I found, just like Borland, had some hilarious limitations and bugs in it's C implementation. Borland had the excuse of it ran on an XT, MS just didn't care... they defined the standard in their eyes.
Eventually Cygwin came out, and fortunately MinGW a bit later, and now I can build things on all the OS's... <furrows brow at Apple>.Being able to build my code on different platforms is the single most powerful debugging tool I have. When one platform throws up walls, all of my code suffers.
Choice is the best debugging tool there is.
@sophia81 @foone fun fact, you can run turbo C++ through the web dosbox port, if you wanna relive the memories
Here's a toy deployment https://turboc.pages.dev
Just a heads up, firefox has a couple of keys wrongly mapped
Some colleges in my country still make you use TurboC++ ig
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@sophia81 @foone fun fact, you can run turbo C++ through the web dosbox port, if you wanna relive the memories
Here's a toy deployment https://turboc.pages.dev
Just a heads up, firefox has a couple of keys wrongly mapped
Some colleges in my country still make you use TurboC++ ig
fun fact: I have a qemu VM to automate running Turbo C++ to compile one of my programs
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@dazzr Nah: "slop" is focusing on the quality and quantity of AI content (and for a bonus, it's also based on an antisemitic meme! yay!).
even if AI stuff was rare and of perfect quality, my argument would still be valid.my point is the paywall. You don't want a paywall on your tools, good or bad.
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computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.
DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP
@foone
Companies pushing so-called "AI":"We'll write bad code for you, so you don't have to pay a programmer to do it! And we'll only charge you 3x what you would have to.pay a programmer to write good code!"
Um, no thank you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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@sophia81 @foone fun fact, you can run turbo C++ through the web dosbox port, if you wanna relive the memories
Here's a toy deployment https://turboc.pages.dev
Just a heads up, firefox has a couple of keys wrongly mapped
Some colleges in my country still make you use TurboC++ ig
@sounddrill
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@BetaRays @foone This was discussed on https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=73708 - people there generally seemed to think it was more likely that it came directly from the "low-quality food for pigs" sense rather than from the antisemitic meme, though it's pretty hard to prove either way.
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@BetaRays @foone This was discussed on https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=73708 - people there generally seemed to think it was more likely that it came directly from the "low-quality food for pigs" sense rather than from the antisemitic meme, though it's pretty hard to prove either way.
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computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.
DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP
@foone what if programming but it was like an MTG draft
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go ask anyone, in any field, if it's a good thing that their work is held behind one company's paywall.
See how that works for them.
@foone sharecropping our own brains we used to call it
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fun fact: I have a qemu VM to automate running Turbo C++ to compile one of my programs
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@foone "Oh, if they charge too much, I can just use a competitor."
*rolls eyes*
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@foone
Programming is only "free" if your time is worthless.I do not understand your comment.
What makes ones time worthless? Because I really can't think of examples.
(Thanks in advance for clarifying.
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I'm just saying, I've been doing this a long time, and I've seen both sides of the "programming is free!" and "programming is expensive :(" coin, so I can assure you, you REALLY want to stay on the "free" side.
@foone Almost everything I can do and know is the result of refusing to pay for $something.
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computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.
DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP
@foone
It was so wonderful having a CRT based editor instead of punching cards to run on George (guarded by acolytes).
I did buy Modula-2 compilers twice. My boss paid for VB6 enterprise. The M2 programs compiled for NT 3.51 do still run on Win10. I did GUI for XP in VB6 and the real code as M2 DLLS. Most VB6 doesn't work on 64 bit Win7 or Win10. Things like serial port OCX.
The Cloud is just like the 1960s, but with faster & less secure connections. They can keep it. -
computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.
DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP
@foone The free and local LLMs are perfectly usable for development, admin and cybersec work. All you need is a regular gaming graphics card or a computer with unified memory for them to work well.
