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The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization.

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  • gaditb@icosahedron.websiteG This user is from outside of this forum
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    gaditb@icosahedron.website
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    #78

    @cassiopeia @cwebber You need to first talk about how DNS works to explain parts of what ActivityPub is.

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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

      Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

      gettie@fedi.catto.gardenG This user is from outside of this forum
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      gettie@fedi.catto.garden
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      #79
      @cwebber that's why we should consider supporting projects like OpenNIC and building decentralized, grassroots infrastructure
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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

        Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

        onemoreday@critter.cafeO This user is from outside of this forum
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        onemoreday@critter.cafe
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #80

        @cwebber that is pretty crazy. any website a government doesn't like can just be removed from the Internet now apparently, simply by labeling it as terrorist propaganda

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

          Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

          cararemixed@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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          cararemixed@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #81

          @cwebber I'm all for setting up alternate roots and also supporting smarter DNS resolvers like unwind in more places. (I still resolve that domain just fine but it's not clear if it's unwind hitting something with a longer ttl somewhere or a nuance in how it was "revoked")

          cwebber@social.coopC mikro2nd@indieweb.socialM 2 Replies Last reply
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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

            But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

            I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

            EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

            EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

            liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #82

            @cwebber https://noblogs.org and https://www.inventati.org have not been revoked. looks like only autistici.org has been affected.

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            • cararemixed@mastodon.socialC cararemixed@mastodon.social

              @cwebber I'm all for setting up alternate roots and also supporting smarter DNS resolvers like unwind in more places. (I still resolve that domain just fine but it's not clear if it's unwind hitting something with a longer ttl somewhere or a nuance in how it was "revoked")

              cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #83

              @cararemixed "alternative DNS systems" doesn't really help though, because the TLS CA system is designed to work with the centralized view of "DNS truth"

              cararemixed@mastodon.socialC lunadragofelis@void.lgbtL 2 Replies Last reply
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              • dfx4509b@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #84

                @strangetown @Varpie @cwebber Because the Reich hates everything it doesn't control.

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                  Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

                  infoseepage@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                  infoseepage@mastodon.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #85

                  @cwebber We have a global communications network, many fundamental aspects of which are controlled by the US federal government. There has been concern over this in the past, but past administrations have had the good sense of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What we have now is not best described as an administration, but a fascist regime, one which has rapidly moved to use every possible lever to extort other countries into doing what it wants, up to and including unprovoked war.

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                  • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                    @cwebber We have a global communications network, many fundamental aspects of which are controlled by the US federal government. There has been concern over this in the past, but past administrations have had the good sense of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What we have now is not best described as an administration, but a fascist regime, one which has rapidly moved to use every possible lever to extort other countries into doing what it wants, up to and including unprovoked war.

                    infoseepage@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #86

                    @cwebber The countries of the world need to fundamentally understand that this will not change as long as Trump lives and the people who surround him are in power and not in prison. The world should treat its entanglements with the US with wartime urgency. The US must be made the dispensable nation. The sovereignty of every nation on the planet that does not understand this is at stake.

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      @cararemixed "alternative DNS systems" doesn't really help though, because the TLS CA system is designed to work with the centralized view of "DNS truth"

                      cararemixed@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #87

                      @cwebber Well sure, there's a lot in the stack that is slanted towards central planning and control but it's a little odd painting DNS as necessarily stuck as we use it today. Likewise with certificates and PKI in general. ACME helps a bit as do other forms of trust building. Most of these things have some fixing needed but it's not a gap we can't close.

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

                        But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

                        I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

                        EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

                        EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

                        alienghic@timeloop.cafeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        alienghic@timeloop.cafe
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #88

                        @cwebber

                        Could they post a hosts or zone file to radicle the p2p git forge?

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                        • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                          @cwebber

                          Could they post a hosts or zone file to radicle the p2p git forge?

                          alice@gts.void.dogA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          alice@gts.void.dog
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                          #89

                          @alienghic @cwebber they could post a list of ip addresses anywhere. but who's going to accept putting up with this? they could also buy other domains, sure, if they find a bank that won't kick them out and they still have funds by then. but eventually you have to pay the servers and interact with either ICANN or RIPE. and even if you stick with local services - how many of them are willing to fight the usa when their own cops come knocking? best to hope it blows over or start hiding on tor

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

                            But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

                            I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

                            EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

                            EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

                            realn2s@infosec.exchangeR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #90

                            @cwebber
                            We just had a very interesting season on this at #SoCraTes26

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                            • cararemixed@mastodon.socialC cararemixed@mastodon.social

                              @cwebber I'm all for setting up alternate roots and also supporting smarter DNS resolvers like unwind in more places. (I still resolve that domain just fine but it's not clear if it's unwind hitting something with a longer ttl somewhere or a nuance in how it was "revoked")

                              mikro2nd@indieweb.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #91

                              @cararemixed @cwebber That's not mitigating the centralised nature of how DNS works today, just changing the centre of authority. We need to go full fedi/p2p for name-to-address resolution, and probably (almost certainly) all the other things DNS gets (mis)used for.

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                              • milja@social.netdynamics.euM milja@social.netdynamics.eu

                                @lunareclipse
                                The Hague ICC judges thing was because VISA and MasterCard are from USA, even if the card is from a European bank. USA can shut them down from European consumers without our banks doing anything.

                                @cwebber @MaddieM4

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                                #92

                                @milja @cwebber @MaddieM4 @lunareclipse UK banks have allegedly started digging themselves out of this hole:
                                https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/feb/16/uk-bank-bosses-plan-visa-mastercard-alternative

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                                • faraiwe@mstdn.socialF faraiwe@mstdn.social

                                  @cwebber "People should be able to communicate without first surrendering themselves to corporations or governments."

                                  Anyone who defies the fascist machinery of surveillance and oppression is an enemy of the Turd Reich.

                                  It's a badge of honor, of sorts.

                                  Everyone who values privacy and civil liberties/freedom should perk their ears and heed this case.

                                  We are all Autistici/Inventati.

                                  Tante grazie, @cavallette

                                  #TurdReich #AutisticiInventati #USPol

                                  faraiwe@mstdn.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #93

                                  @cwebber @cavallette

                                  This link seems to work

                                  https://www.inventati.org/about

                                  #AutisticiInventati

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                                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                    Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                                    Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

                                    navi@catcatnya.comN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #94

                                    @cwebber stares at the entire ActivityPub network having a huge dependence on fucking domain names

                                    imyxh@weirder.earthI cwebber@social.coopC eviloatmeal@floppy.peepee.partyE 3 Replies Last reply
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                                    • alice@gts.void.dogA alice@gts.void.dog

                                      @alienghic @cwebber they could post a list of ip addresses anywhere. but who's going to accept putting up with this? they could also buy other domains, sure, if they find a bank that won't kick them out and they still have funds by then. but eventually you have to pay the servers and interact with either ICANN or RIPE. and even if you stick with local services - how many of them are willing to fight the usa when their own cops come knocking? best to hope it blows over or start hiding on tor

                                      alienghic@timeloop.cafeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      alienghic@timeloop.cafe
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                                      #95

                                      @alice @cwebber

                                      Using an out of band method to share host to IP addresses would work right now.

                                      If the regime learns no one will listen to them, that should discourage them from trying in the future. If not, the part of the world that wants freedom needs to cut the us government and corporations out of their lives.

                                      That's possible though would be an difficult transition period, but if they keep abusing their power they need to lose it

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                                      • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                                        @alice @cwebber

                                        Using an out of band method to share host to IP addresses would work right now.

                                        If the regime learns no one will listen to them, that should discourage them from trying in the future. If not, the part of the world that wants freedom needs to cut the us government and corporations out of their lives.

                                        That's possible though would be an difficult transition period, but if they keep abusing their power they need to lose it

                                        alice@gts.void.dogA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        alice@gts.void.dog
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                                        #96

                                        @alienghic but that's what i was talking about earlier. imagine we make our great sovereign euro-icann and euro-root-dns. how long until we also abuse it? how long until our own fascists do the exact same thing? it would be foolish to pretend it's not already been happening. everyone in power wants freedom, freedom to control

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                                        • alice@gts.void.dogA alice@gts.void.dog

                                          @alienghic but that's what i was talking about earlier. imagine we make our great sovereign euro-icann and euro-root-dns. how long until we also abuse it? how long until our own fascists do the exact same thing? it would be foolish to pretend it's not already been happening. everyone in power wants freedom, freedom to control

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                                          alienghic@timeloop.cafe
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                                          #97

                                          @alice And I scrolled down further and found

                                          https://fedihum.org/@lavaeolus/117173631185402825

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