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  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

    @draNgNon @benroyce @alice fwiw, I use a managed hosting service that includes email, on my own domain.

    This may sound a little complicated, but it isn’t really. I set it up following the provider’s howtos. That was ca. 15 years ago, and it’s just been ticking along.

    If that provider ever goes bad, I can just take my stuff elsewhere. The service itself is basically a commodity.

    drangnon@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #52

    @slothrop well, despite comments to @benroyce about opsec...

    so... I started using Proton just to move storage to the EU.

    in that sense, for email, it's behind my own domain and could just be migrated (i.e. what you said doesn't sound complicated at all, other than DMARC issues).

    but the other thing I use them for is photos, end2end encrypted, that then don't have to be also stored on my phone. migrating that would be more challenging. I looked for alternatives for a couple years, before establishing a Proton account.

    @benroyce @alice

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    • theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.socialT theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social

      @slothrop @nileane I see. Can you recommend any reading I can reference in a support ticket, while I see how they respond?

      I have already paid ahead for a year so, even if I swap today my money is already in their hands for services I paid up front for. I would prefer to pressure them by threatening I can take my money with me on my next payment date, rather than silently leaving without explaining why.

      glowl@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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      #53

      @theeclecticdyslexic @slothrop @nileane i do not think they will change their stance as their c?o/founder already supported trump and spewed other hyper capitalist right ideology shit himself.

      and given that history i would still move anyways no matter what capitalsit ass saving response you get.

      and i think you can just link to the french wikipedia. as proton embraced all this AI bullshit they will be able to translate (badly) themselves.

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      • strangenoises@mastodon.socialS strangenoises@mastodon.social

        @Brett_E_Carlock @drsbaitso @alice @slothrop @fastmail @Tutanota I have been considering Mailbox.org for my eventual flight from gmail. It seems more like a basic ye olde mail provider rather than another lock-in. Someone can now tell me why they’re evil too… 😩

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        #54

        @Brett_E_Carlock @slothrop @Tutanota @drsbaitso @StrangeNoises @alice @fastmail I’ve created a mailbox.org account early last month (shortly before google went all google) and am slowly moving things over there. Haven’t encountered any evil yet. Only hiccups were that some things weren’t properly localized, like one confirmation link mail was in German, that was pretty self explanatory tho

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        • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

          RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

          If you’re still using Proton mail:

          The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

          If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

          UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

          https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

          #proton #fash

          shemjm@social.vivaldi.netS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #55

          @slothrop never heard of that YouTuber. What makes him far right/fascist?

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          • glowl@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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            #56

            @Infoseepage @gatogatogato @slothrop or mailbox.org or posteo

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            • albi@furry.engineerA This user is from outside of this forum
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              #57

              @Arthfach @tempusfelix @slothrop it's cool, but please start charging for what actually causes costs rather than just alias/mailbox amount. I would much rather hit a rate limit than choose which alias im ok with being leaked and spammed.

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              • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                If you’re still using Proton mail:

                The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                #proton #fash

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                #58

                @slothrop

                migrating to tuta.com from proton was rather painless, even with custom domains. took a couple of hours including reading some light documentation. On the Tuta side, most of it guides you through everything you need to do so no real reason to even read the docs it turned out.

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                • nando161@partyon.xyzN nando161@partyon.xyz

                  @lienrag @slothrop I assume so, I will login today and make sure I can though.

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                  #59

                  @nando161 I'm on disroot as I could never find someone to invite me to riseup : can I please get an invite? 🙏

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                  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                    RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                    If you’re still using Proton mail:

                    The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                    If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                    UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                    #proton #fash

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                    #60

                    @slothrop

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                    • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                      RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                      If you’re still using Proton mail:

                      The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                      If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                      UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                      https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                      #proton #fash

                      s_d_brath@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #61

                      @slothrop yeah, but at least they are european fascists and not those damn foreign ones.

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                      • s_d_brath@mastodon.socialS s_d_brath@mastodon.social

                        @slothrop yeah, but at least they are european fascists and not those damn foreign ones.

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                        #62

                        @s_d_brath not like we have to rely on imports for our fascism here in Europe

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                        • shadowfals@toot.catS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #63

                          @mzungu porkbun is what I keep seeing recommended for those moving away from Namecheap this weekend.

                          You might find more info in the talk of Namecheap's role in taking down #Neocities yesterday for no sensible reason.

                          What I picked up regarding porkbun from comments and Wikipedia is it moved from Florida (fascist state gov) to Oregon (complicated). Its company had originally held the .gay domain but released it to the public. (.gay was later picked up again by a registrar through legal mechanisms I know nothing about.)

                          @nileane @slothrop

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                          • shadowfals@toot.catS shadowfals@toot.cat

                            @mzungu porkbun is what I keep seeing recommended for those moving away from Namecheap this weekend.

                            You might find more info in the talk of Namecheap's role in taking down #Neocities yesterday for no sensible reason.

                            What I picked up regarding porkbun from comments and Wikipedia is it moved from Florida (fascist state gov) to Oregon (complicated). Its company had originally held the .gay domain but released it to the public. (.gay was later picked up again by a registrar through legal mechanisms I know nothing about.)

                            @nileane @slothrop

                            mtconleyuk@mastodonapp.ukM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #64

                            @shadowfals @mzungu @nileane @slothrop
                            I moved all my email to Migadu.com, who provide straightforward email management, full control of spam filtering and so forth, and no bullshit. Company is in Switzerland with servers in France.

                            I use Porkbun for my domain registration because they, too, seemed quite straightforward and reasonably priced. Haven't heard anything bad about them yet (I mean, leaving Florida is always a plus, if you ask me).

                            I played with Proton for a bit as a possible password manager, but it just isn't as good as 1Password (nothing is, sadly), so I ditched it.

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                            • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                              RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                              If you’re still using Proton mail:

                              The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                              If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                              UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                              https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                              #proton #fash

                              danie1@mastodon.nlD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #65

                              @slothrop Proton is not sponsoring this Vincent. They have a program that if you bring a new client you get a small amount. https://proton.me/partners

                              And the personal page this Vincent is referring to has been taken down. Check yourself https://proton.me/VincentLapierre

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                              • tempusfelix@wehavecookies.socialT tempusfelix@wehavecookies.social

                                @slothrop

                                Oh ffs. Is there a service provider who isn’t fash or fash adjacent? Idonly just managed to migrate away from gmail!

                                unitarybennu@mastodon.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #66

                                @tempusfelix
                                Same... Luckily I was only using the free tier.
                                @slothrop

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                                • drsbaitso@infosec.exchangeD drsbaitso@infosec.exchange

                                  @alice @slothrop Yeah, unfortunately they had some bullshit around vocally supporting Trump and the christofascist GOP early last year. They got butthurt for getting called out on it and decided to "refocus [their] social media efforts" which meant slumbering their fediverse account.

                                  I canceled my Proton Founder's subscription and moved over to @fastmail specifically because they supported more private domains. I've been very happy with the service.

                                  The other recommendation I always see floating around is @Tutanota but they only documented 10 private domains when I was looking

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                                  #67

                                  @drsbaitso @alice @slothrop @fastmail @Tutanota did you cancel before the billing cycle expired? If so, did they do a partial refund? I still have 1.5 years paid for.

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                                  • gabriel@fedi.gvisoc.comG gabriel@fedi.gvisoc.com

                                    @drsbaitso @alice @slothrop @fastmail @Tutanota did you cancel before the billing cycle expired? If so, did they do a partial refund? I still have 1.5 years paid for.

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                                    #68

                                    @gabriel @alice @slothrop @fastmail @Tutanota I'd only done annual billing, not multi-year. I migrated a few weeks before expiration, so I didn't even both with asking for a partial refund.

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                                    • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                      RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                                      If you’re still using Proton mail:

                                      The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                                      If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                                      UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                                      https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                                      #proton #fash

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                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #69

                                      @slothrop @protonprivacy - WTAF?

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                                      • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                        RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                                        If you’re still using Proton mail:

                                        The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                                        If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                                        UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                                        https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                                        #proton #fash

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                                        #70

                                        @slothrop Is that true, @protonprivacy?

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                                        • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                          RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                                          If you’re still using Proton mail:

                                          The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                                          If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                                          UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                                          #proton #fash

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                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #71
                                          @slothrop @thelinuxEXP looks like Proton is up to its usual garbage again
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