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The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

    The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

    The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

    What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

    #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

    paulk@writing.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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    #10

    @_elena Aye, this shocked me a big one too. I don't use their mail option a lot but I have Proton Pass. Seriously considering the move back to KeepassXC now.

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    • sebastian@mastodon.com.plS sebastian@mastodon.com.pl

      @_elena so many aliases! I have much more less and consider, what should I do. Maybe can you share yours ideas how to resolve it?

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      #11

      @sebastian so I read reports by people who used a free account for a month and then did not pay that aliases ALLEGEDLY still work, even when plans expire. Still, I want to create a personal system where I do not rely on one big company for such a key feature.

      I'm happy I never used ProtonDrive and ProtonPass, that's for sure.

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      • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

        @_elena Aye, this shocked me a big one too. I don't use their mail option a lot but I have Proton Pass. Seriously considering the move back to KeepassXC now.

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        #12

        @paulk totally understand, ESPECIALLY for something as sensitive as passwords. They've lost my trust... the only way forward for them is to fire Andy Yen AND their AI-pilled CTO. This is catastrophic for their image and reputation, I don't see any other way to recover

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        • andycarolan@social.lolA andycarolan@social.lol

          @_elena i should add that I managed to convince my wife and son to do the same. Best decision ever.

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          #13

          @andycarolan amazing! I grabbed a domain name for my child a month after she was born and I will definitely encourage her to use it - when she's old enough

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

            The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

            The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

            What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

            #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

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            #14

            @_elena may I ask what provider(s) you’re considering next? I also need to get off Proton.

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

              The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

              The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

              What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

              #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

              wonkothesane@mstdn.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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              #15

              @_elena I’m in the exact same situation and I’m kicking myself because when I decided to de-google and move to Proton I was aware of custom domains but it seemed like to much to learn at the time. Now I have a million alias through SimpleLogin (a service I’ll really miss) and I’m not sure how to handle that

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              • C closeted_unionist@mastodon.social

                @_elena I find it ironic proton fight big tech by using big tech (ie claude). Any alternatives? I was hoping for proton to be a more viable alternative to gsuite

                Edit: typo

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                #16

                @closeted_unionist
                I'm kind of between proton and tuta right now. Tuta is useable, but you need to pay a couple Euros month for anything about the very basics (like search!) google etc has really conditioned us (me) to expect things for free, backed by surveillance.

                I actually started to move because there's an annoying bug they don't care to fix, ironically.

                And I can 95% recommend addy.io if you're lazy to run your own domain stuff.

                @_elena

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                • leonieke@squilla.vitaulium.euL leonieke@squilla.vitaulium.eu

                  @_elena I'm still cleaning up all my proton stuff and I fear the transfer a bit, but in the coming months I'll move over to dutch provider @soverin keeping my own domain(s), but only after total clean-up of all aliases and gmail-remnants.

                  I never realised I had to many accounts and subscriptions: I'm on a digital cleanse it seems

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                  #17

                  @leonieke @_elena @soverin what made you choose them between other alternatives? I’m thinking on moving away from proton also.

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    @paulk totally understand, ESPECIALLY for something as sensitive as passwords. They've lost my trust... the only way forward for them is to fire Andy Yen AND their AI-pilled CTO. This is catastrophic for their image and reputation, I don't see any other way to recover

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                    #18

                    @_elena @paulk
                    There's a list of EU alternatives, but there should also be a list of products and services that don't push AI in development.

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                      The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                      The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                      What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                      #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

                      ngel@ruby.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #19

                      @_elena I’m in a similar scenario. Just weighing alternatives. Any thoughts?

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                        The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                        The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                        What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                        #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

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                        #20

                        @_elena

                        "The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road."

                        "La route est longue, mais la voie est libre."(Framasoft)

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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          @andycarolan amazing! I grabbed a domain name for my child a month after she was born and I will definitely encourage her to use it - when she's old enough

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                          #21

                          @_elena That's awesome!

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                            The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                            The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                            What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                            #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

                            hrafnagud@niflheim.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #22

                            @_elena Next one, unfortunately. Liked the idea that Proton transported years ago but although I like Mail and VPN there, I am glad to use my own domains AND a service like @mailbox_org here in Germany. The numbers of trustful services seem to decrease week by week at the moment, that’s a sad fact.

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              @paulk totally understand, ESPECIALLY for something as sensitive as passwords. They've lost my trust... the only way forward for them is to fire Andy Yen AND their AI-pilled CTO. This is catastrophic for their image and reputation, I don't see any other way to recover

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                              #23

                              @_elena Too bad as they were off to a good start. They now seem to be set for a 'good end'.
                              Really glad I once did the exercise to move once before, to test KeepassXC.

                              Indeed, a clean slate would be best for them, but the damage is done. That goes fast and reaches far.

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                              • ngel@ruby.socialN ngel@ruby.social

                                @_elena I’m in a similar scenario. Just weighing alternatives. Any thoughts?

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                                #24

                                @ngel I'm waiting to see how Proton reacts to this catastrophic, reputation-destroying story. If Yen and the AI-pilled CTO step down, I may consider sticking around. My unlimited plan renews in May.

                                For the time being I am changing my "from" email address and using a custom domain name to make the transition easier... I'm also looking at Tuta (where I already have an account)

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                                • ngel@ruby.socialN ngel@ruby.social

                                  @leonieke @_elena @soverin what made you choose them between other alternatives? I’m thinking on moving away from proton also.

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                                  #25

                                  @ngel I like that they're NL-based, combined with the fact that @bitsoffreedom use their services 🙂

                                  @_elena @soverin

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    @ngel I'm waiting to see how Proton reacts to this catastrophic, reputation-destroying story. If Yen and the AI-pilled CTO step down, I may consider sticking around. My unlimited plan renews in May.

                                    For the time being I am changing my "from" email address and using a custom domain name to make the transition easier... I'm also looking at Tuta (where I already have an account)

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                                    #26
                                    @_elena@mastodon.social @ngel@ruby.social In case you're not aware, Tuta is flirting with using AI too and already has a bit: https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/117518311002072172
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                                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                      The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                                      The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                                      The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                                      What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                                      #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

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                                      #27

                                      @_elena Well, he was already controversial, but had mostly been given the benefit of the doubt. But that's it for Proton. A shame.

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                                      • hrafnagud@niflheim.socialH hrafnagud@niflheim.social

                                        @_elena Next one, unfortunately. Liked the idea that Proton transported years ago but although I like Mail and VPN there, I am glad to use my own domains AND a service like @mailbox_org here in Germany. The numbers of trustful services seem to decrease week by week at the moment, that’s a sad fact.

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                                        #28

                                        @hrafnagud @_elena @mailbox_org I liked Ellana's self hosting point. I just wish there was a self hosting fund I could give my proton money too and they would ensure the communities of the services I used where supported. The number of separate self hosted solutions to replace a web stack like proton is large depending on the services you use of course. Does anyone have a table listing solid recommendations? Digital detox seems to be the next move. I would be interested in helping with a guide if anyone else is.

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          @closeted_unionist huh I do not use Claude. I picked ProtonMail 6 years ago because of its reputation for security and privacy and moved there from Google. I did not expect the company to take such a turn (in 2020 LLMs were not a thing)

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                                          #29

                                          @_elena @closeted_unionist You don’t, but Proton does, extensively, that’s what the comment was about.

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