New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"
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@davidrevoy est-ce que tu crois que le fait que tes bd soient sous licence libre ça fait que les IA sont entraînées dessus en priorité ?
@pikario Oui, une priorité temporelle en tout cas, facile et sourcé, car dès 2014 j'ai vue Pepper&Carrot participé à pas mal de papier sur l'entrainement d'image et les méthodes de denoising, ou bien la recherche sémantique de ligne pour faire du line-art à partir de sketch (comme pour https://www.davidrevoy.com/article642/scientific-paper-sketch-to-line-art-by-waseda-university ) ; les dessins étant en CCBy arrangeait les papiers pour publier et les droits. J'en rigolait en disant que ça devenait un projet benchmark. Ca a du participer.
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@davidrevoy @gabrielesvelto As a fellow artist who stopped practicing professionally a few years before this AI shitstorm hit the field, I'm so sorry. This is horrifying.
Artists have always been incredibly undervalued by modern society, but this is a new low. I weep for all my artist friends, and for all the damage this exploitative technology is doing to our world.
@Em0nM4stodon @davidrevoy @gabrielesvelto Thirded. Some years ago, I started pulling down all my artwork bc I was not comfortable with AI. I decided that I wouldnt share anything further if I could not change my comfort level and framing
.....and in the years since I have grown even less comfortable. I have made peace with the fact that my art is (and has always been) for me. Thats all that matters and I dont have to ever do anything I am uncomfortable with
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New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai
@davidrevoy this is yet another way how genai erodes trust in one-another and destroys communities
genai just shouldn't be used, ever. not for visual art, not for music, not for code, not for writing; nothing -
New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai
Aw that commend about text feels a little too sharp as it's likely the text bubbles and text layout are inkscape.
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@davidrevoy I’m sorry you’re getting these comments. Your art is so full of heart I’ve never really thought to compare it to aigen. I don’t see how people see any similarities to be honest.
I love your art, the way you draw fantasy worlds and characters is a big inspiration to me. And it’s so cool to see that you do it all with Krita, it makes me want to give it a go and finally make that switch.
@Mudlark Do iiit! 8D It's free! You have nothing to lose! And it's so much fun.
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New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai
This is one of the ways that ai slop is harming artists, it copies real artists and thus even real art starts to look like ai slop resulting in the total loss of trust.
It's why we have to be very opposed to it and make sure to let people know when no ai slop is used. Welcome to the future that techbros want.
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New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai
@davidrevoy The dark truth is that the vast majority (me included) can’t pick out AI very well. It has to be quite obvious.And imho the worst part is that all of this is big corpo. The models especially.
If you could run AI locally on your machine and train it with your own material, I think it would be up to you if you wanted to/what you’d do with it.
But they took that choice away.
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Aw that commend about text feels a little too sharp as it's likely the text bubbles and text layout are inkscape.
@doctormo Yeah, I think David once said that he created the font based on his handwriting, or a hand-written comic script? But the bubble one is really something! I guess they expected him to painstakingly paint the bubbles by hand instead of... using a vector template like most folks would.
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@mousey Whaaaat? o: That's crazy! ... And kind of eye-opening!
@ToonLink I suspect buying followers has been a business since monolithic, corporately owned social media convinced people that "influencer" could be a "business".. if not a lot longer.
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@davidrevoy The dark truth is that the vast majority (me included) can’t pick out AI very well. It has to be quite obvious.And imho the worst part is that all of this is big corpo. The models especially.
If you could run AI locally on your machine and train it with your own material, I think it would be up to you if you wanted to/what you’d do with it.
But they took that choice away.
@yon To be fair, I can't pick well and detect recent gen AI too... I also had recently this "feeling an art was AI" only to discover behind the art a human who shared tutorial, video of process, etc...
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New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai
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New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
It's kinda sad how people got to the point that they see ai everywhere -
@DamonWakes @davidrevoy I don't really think it even has "that look" so bad. There's something about AI cartoon faces that (acknowledging survivorship bias of course) sets off my "I'm about to be mugged in the Uncanny Alley" instincts.
(and this is a bit odd to me, since I struggle a bit with actual human faces.)
@datarama @DamonWakes @davidrevoy
Yeah, I don't get the slop ick from his comics and I'm pretty sensitive to it. -
New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai
Come to think of it, Trump and most of the GOP look like AI.
Everything looks like AI.
Our greatest human achievement.
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@yon To be fair, I can't pick well and detect recent gen AI too... I also had recently this "feeling an art was AI" only to discover behind the art a human who shared tutorial, video of process, etc...
@davidrevoy Which is why jumping on people isn’t the answer to anything. Doesn’t help anyone’s cause. The false positives are just too common.
If anything it will become more a case of trust. I know your art from here, and I trust that you wouldn’t knowingly post someone else who isn’t at least reasonably trustworthy.
Basically human connections need to get more important in general. Especially with all the propaganda bots.
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@doctormo Yeah, I think David once said that he created the font based on his handwriting, or a hand-written comic script? But the bubble one is really something! I guess they expected him to painstakingly paint the bubbles by hand instead of... using a vector template like most folks would.
@ToonLink @doctormo And I use the vector so the translator can slightly reshape the bubble easily without loosing definition; so, it's part of my constrain for the translation system.
Yes, for the font, it's 'Patrick Hand' where I modified all characters to look like my handwriting "Deevad Hand" with some constrains of readibility, accessibility, etc... I ran a lot of test before starting the weekly, like https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/112303717759370313
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@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
It's kinda sad how people got to the point that they see ai everywhere@raccoon @davidrevoy and sadder when people conclude the problem is the "anti-AI crowd" and not the AIbros who poisoned the well
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@raccoon @davidrevoy and sadder when people conclude the problem is the "anti-AI crowd" and not the AIbros who poisoned the well
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@ToonLink @doctormo And I use the vector so the translator can slightly reshape the bubble easily without loosing definition; so, it's part of my constrain for the translation system.
Yes, for the font, it's 'Patrick Hand' where I modified all characters to look like my handwriting "Deevad Hand" with some constrains of readibility, accessibility, etc... I ran a lot of test before starting the weekly, like https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/112303717759370313
@davidrevoy @doctormo Yeah, that too!! It would be so hard for a translator to try to adapt a dynamic text layout to a hand-painted bubble. It's all wasted time and effort for no gain at all.
