Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research.
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Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. Northern Europe was overrun by plague-spreading steppe nomads less than 5000 years ago, causing an almost complete population replacement.
It’s a 1492 event. Everybody knows that us Northern Europeans aren’t the original inhabitants of North America. But we aren’t even the original inhabitants of Northern Europe.
all human history is this
waves of this or that people, moving into new lands, replacing or mingling. little trickles or inundations
but there's always remnants, going back to the original wave: neanderthal DNA persists in us
so it goes with every other former population
neat tidbit:
in the philippines there are the original aeta. they live in the mountains, while the coastlines are malay
in madagascar, the original malay live in the mountains and the bantu dominate the coasts
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@mrundkvist I knew about a lot of migrations everywhere but I didn't know that there was such an early and desastrous plague wave.
Does it mean that the newcomers were more resistant against the plague?@NatureMC
The hypothesis is that the plague originated in Central Asia and spread to Europe and that the Western Steppe Herders were slightly resistant to the plague. The plague either killed off so many Europeans that the WSH could move in or spread to Europe because of the migrating WSH. Or maybe both.
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@benroyce
There are two kinds, vendace and salmon. Definitely go with the vendace.
Also they have little mini ones in the market hall which are better for a first taste
@mrundkvist{stares at his mcdonalds hamburger}
this isn't fair now i want to eat that instead
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{stares at his mcdonalds hamburger}
this isn't fair now i want to eat that instead
@benroyce
Oh yes. First stop at hessburger and try the rye-burger. Caramelized rye is a natural pairing for grilled beef!
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Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. Northern Europe was overrun by plague-spreading steppe nomads less than 5000 years ago, causing an almost complete population replacement.
It’s a 1492 event. Everybody knows that us Northern Europeans aren’t the original inhabitants of North America. But we aren’t even the original inhabitants of Northern Europe.
Those of us with multiple strains of american indigenous and old tribal EU/UK genetics must be preserved.
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@benroyce
Oh yes. First stop at hessburger and try the rye-burger. Caramelized rye is a natural pairing for grilled beef!
@mrundkvistrule #1 for an american (or any foreigner) learning nordic food culture:
rye
rye bread
rye everything!
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rule #1 for an american (or any foreigner) learning nordic food culture:
rye
rye bread
rye everything!
@benroyce
Yeah, cooking skill is linearly associated to what you can do with rye.
Fancy restaurants like MustaLammas base their entire menu around local forage and interesting things can you do with rye, caraway, and cardamom
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@mrundkvist
Ahahahah, Kuopio is home to me!
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Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. Northern Europe was overrun by plague-spreading steppe nomads less than 5000 years ago, causing an almost complete population replacement.
It’s a 1492 event. Everybody knows that us Northern Europeans aren’t the original inhabitants of North America. But we aren’t even the original inhabitants of Northern Europe.
@mrundkvist
*Coughs* in Neandertal -
@mrundkvist
Ahahahah, Kuopio is home to me!
The kalakukko grows on you!@dnavinci
I was confused to find a Wine Festival in full sway when I arrived.
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@dnavinci
I was confused to find a Wine Festival in full sway when I arrived.@mrundkvist
The first time I visited was also during that same festival!
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@benroyce
Yeah, cooking skill is linearly associated to what you can do with rye.
Fancy restaurants like MustaLammas base their entire menu around local forage and interesting things can you do with rye, caraway, and cardamom
@mrundkvist@benroyce
Og, and rye flatbread pizza regularly wins international competitions
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@benroyce
Yeah, cooking skill is linearly associated to what you can do with rye.
Fancy restaurants like MustaLammas base their entire menu around local forage and interesting things can you do with rye, caraway, and cardamom
@mrundkvistcomplex healthy carbs. but then the butter!
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@mrundkvist
For any statement, it becomes untrue at a certain level of detail.
In Finland this model breaks down somewhere near Kuusamo, which... Makes sense if you've ever tried to travel there.
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomalaiset@dnavinci @mrundkvist the (mostly in the male line) ancestors of the Finns arrived several centuries later and wiped out the descendant of the Corded Ware people who had wiped out the Neolithic farmers who had wiped out the Mesolithic hunter gatherers so that makes, three replacement events?
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@dnavinci @mrundkvist the (mostly in the male line) ancestors of the Finns arrived several centuries later and wiped out the descendant of the Corded Ware people who had wiped out the Neolithic farmers who had wiped out the Mesolithic hunter gatherers so that makes, three replacement events?
@_hic_haec_hoc
Not many Neolithic farmers in Finland. But the hunter-gatherers who lived there before the Corded Ware didn't practise a kind of burial that left much to sample for DNA. -
@mrundkvist AKA Yamnani ?
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@mrundkvist AKA Yamnani ?
@DJHVII
The Yamnaya Culture, a modern archaeological term descriptive of their burial customs. -
Celts are originally from Central Asia (last I heard anyway. I'm sure folks will let me know if there is newer news!)
@NilaJones @mrundkvist
Celts are complicated because it turns out to be more a culture (stretching from Northern Turkey to the Atlantic) than a DNA group. There connections in old names and old root words between Hindi & Irish and little connection between surviving Insular Celtic languages & Western European languages.
Romans particularly hated them (several long stories), so what Julius Caesar wrote is rather biased.
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Maybe not. But the plague is a zoonotic disease, a change in the rodent population can very effectively stop a plague wave. But we don't really know why and how a plague pandemic ends.
@jk @NatureMC @mrundkvist it seems the Black plague may have ended by people developing strong immune responses to the disease…
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@mrundkvist
Do you have any recommendations for a book that includes this sort of modern info?
