Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
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Pretty much why I've voted third party for the last six elections...
I keep hoping more people do so, so a third party can get into the debates and provide another point of view, and someone else to vote for.
Maybe the rise of a third party will make the other two pull their heads out of their butts and do the job right, because NEITHER party has done so in recent memory....
the usa is an fptp voting system
there can only ever be 2 parties. it's not corruption (corruption exists, but it's not the reason). it's just math:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
to get viable 3rd parties we need a new voting system, like ranked choice. then you can vote your conscience free and clear and not worry about dreary strategy
ranked choice is creeping in in places
but if you vote 3rd party *before* we get that you divide the left vote and help MAGA win
you can't vote 3rd party
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Consequences for whom? Sure does make ethics a lot simpler when you can just throw us all in your Hefty Bag.
the hefty bag called the reality of living in a country. and yes we are all in it. and there is no alternative. who leads us has consequences, as a whole group
i'm not proposing a path. i'm describing the path we are on
don't shoot the messenger
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Ah yes, the outcast because one doesn't like team sports. I was like that as well. Oh wait, I was an outcast for all other reasons, too.
There was something similar to dodgeball in school, I so disliked it. I didn't understand why one would want to hurt someone by hitting them as hard as possible.
The other children didn't want to play badminton with me because I kept throwing them impossible to hit shuttles. I never understood. Hitting a shuttle was simple.@pascaline @benroyce the weird thing?
At break, I was happy to play rounders - someone brought in a ball and bat...or football with a tennis ball with my mates - with one goal made of bags or coats!
But when it came to organised games, I was always picked last and the PE teachers would give me aggro.
So I wasn't against sports, or exercise but something horrible came in when it was made official. Competitiveness is ugly.
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the hefty bag called the reality of living in a country. and yes we are all in it. and there is no alternative. who leads us has consequences, as a whole group
i'm not proposing a path. i'm describing the path we are on
don't shoot the messenger
I sure wish I was as similarly convinced of the evil of the American public. Yeah, when our leaders run amok, the thing which will convince those rogue elephants of their evil ways is to damage ordinary people who didn't do anything to anyone, just trying to run a business.
That's "reality"
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@benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox Also, even under the premise that voting is meaningless, and Americans have to uprise instead: Voting, and getting everybody to vote is the best way to start an uprising. If millions of people vote and their votes are stolen, then they'll be motivated to uprise. If they stay home thinking their votes don't matter, and then the votes cast don't matter, all they'll do is say "I told you so".
@PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
that's right
no uprising happens just because someone starts rioting. why are they rioting? what do they stand for? who knows
if people vote, and then the vote is denied, and the people rise up: absolutely everyone is crystal clear as to what is happening and why. so people join in, because they know the message being delivered
so we have to vote first. otherwise there is no coherency of meaning
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Ah yes, the outcast because one doesn't like team sports. I was like that as well. Oh wait, I was an outcast for all other reasons, too.
There was something similar to dodgeball in school, I so disliked it. I didn't understand why one would want to hurt someone by hitting them as hard as possible.
The other children didn't want to play badminton with me because I kept throwing them impossible to hit shuttles. I never understood. Hitting a shuttle was simple.@pascaline @benroyce also sports were gendered - boys had to play rugby, football and sometimes hockey. Only the girls could play tennis which I wanted to play. And I wasn't good at swimming - again I was abandoned cos I didn't progress fast enough and left to the shallow end.
There was no choice, and I didn't like team sports.
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the usa is an fptp voting system
there can only ever be 2 parties. it's not corruption (corruption exists, but it's not the reason). it's just math:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
to get viable 3rd parties we need a new voting system, like ranked choice. then you can vote your conscience free and clear and not worry about dreary strategy
ranked choice is creeping in in places
but if you vote 3rd party *before* we get that you divide the left vote and help MAGA win
you can't vote 3rd party
I don't agree on the necessity of Ranked Choice.
In the Presidential elections, the candidates with the most electoral votes wins.
It doesn't matter if there are 2 or 20 parties.
The system was set up before the "two parties" even existed. The first few elections were party-free; candidates published what they stood for, and people voted based on their wishes.
If you vote third party, it's because you don't agree with the left or the right, or their candidates, and that's all.
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but what is the point of this comment in your mind
because when you act like trump's malice is unstoppable, you're saying the vote is meaningless. therefore people won't vote, therefore trump gets what he wants
you're wrong on the facts of how the vote happens in the USA: it's controlled by the states, not trump
and you're wrong on the attitude, you're presenting a fallacious rationale that there's no use in voting
the only effect is you are helping trump
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I sure wish I was as similarly convinced of the evil of the American public. Yeah, when our leaders run amok, the thing which will convince those rogue elephants of their evil ways is to damage ordinary people who didn't do anything to anyone, just trying to run a business.
That's "reality"
yes. that is the reality. elections have consequences. and what let us down is nonvoters and MAGA. it is their fault. we will now suffer, because of them. and there is no way around that. i'm not saying it's good, i'm not saying it is bad. i'm saying it is inevitable
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I don't agree on the necessity of Ranked Choice.
In the Presidential elections, the candidates with the most electoral votes wins.
It doesn't matter if there are 2 or 20 parties.
The system was set up before the "two parties" even existed. The first few elections were party-free; candidates published what they stood for, and people voted based on their wishes.
If you vote third party, it's because you don't agree with the left or the right, or their candidates, and that's all.
no. you don't understand the topic
first past the post means only two parties dominate. they cannibalize the platforms of smaller parties because of the math of the voting system. 3rd parties are unstable in fptp, and fade away
3rd party's only value in our voting system is to divide the left, or the right, and help the other side win
when you vote 3rd party, all you are doing is helping trump. this isn't your intention, but that is exactly what you are doing
it's just math
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@benroyce @ikuturso @lynfox - much of the problem is that states *do* run the national elections. In many countries, the vote is handled by an arms-length federal agency. They set electoral borders (not just the state / provincial borders, but ensuring roughly the same number of voters are in each jurisdiction) and they are responsible for the count procedures. US states have a tendency to invent electoral borders to suit their Party of choice. And then there's your Electoral College...
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Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
#FIFA is holding an emergency meeting
Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)
As an American: don't come here
Don't do business with the #USA
Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates
https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/
@benroyce Omg I didn't know if these calls to boycott were all hot air... I hoped it would work. I love to hear this.
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yes. that is the reality. elections have consequences. and what let us down is nonvoters and MAGA. it is their fault. we will now suffer, because of them. and there is no way around that. i'm not saying it's good, i'm not saying it is bad. i'm saying it is inevitable
No, it's policy. We decide to tell people not to come here, don't do business here - how will that get more people to vote for reasonable candidates?
It won't and we both know it.
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@pascaline @benroyce the weird thing?
At break, I was happy to play rounders - someone brought in a ball and bat...or football with a tennis ball with my mates - with one goal made of bags or coats!
But when it came to organised games, I was always picked last and the PE teachers would give me aggro.
So I wasn't against sports, or exercise but something horrible came in when it was made official. Competitiveness is ugly.
I understand
I never liked running when it was a competition (although I was very fast), but I really enjoyed it alone. The competitiveness is sickening and I stay away from it anywhere it pops up.I know what I'm good at and know my skills, and have been appreciated for them. But I don't like when it becomes competitive. Some people also seem to thrive on getting others down and criticise them just because they get a kick out of it. Just be kind, it's so important.
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100% agreed
but even if we don't get that, you still vote for the candidate that isn't an outright fascist. it's just self-preservation
You would have to find one and they don't exist
Waiting for The fascists in both party to provide real candidates is literally the definition of insanity
We have tried this for decades and it does nothing but get worse...
Even a mildly left platform including stopping genocide would have ended this in 2024
But Bush in a skirt lost to cheetolini because instead of being that candidate which would have won easily, she punted and promised more fascism just with a smile and some fun
We have to throw them all out because they will not help us they have made it quite clear
Collaborator/crypto Democrats are helping the nazis just as much (if not more) at this point by doing not a single thing
Fuckwads secret police are now shooting people in the face and then saying she deserved it
When it was all on camera
You think that these people are going to get voted out?
It is that type of apathy that is the biggest factor in fascisms advance
Just waiting for the elections is a privileged position... It means that they aren't shooting at you yet
Right now it is the VAST majority of people doing absolutely nothing that is making it easy for fascism to move forward
We all need a personal game plan about what sacrifices we are willing to make, because if not it will get so much worse so much faster and when it's all over if we are still alive we will be one of the people that has to lie when they say they were against it the whole time
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no. you don't understand the topic
first past the post means only two parties dominate. they cannibalize the platforms of smaller parties because of the math of the voting system. 3rd parties are unstable in fptp, and fade away
3rd party's only value in our voting system is to divide the left, or the right, and help the other side win
when you vote 3rd party, all you are doing is helping trump. this isn't your intention, but that is exactly what you are doing
it's just math
If that's the case, then voting third party would have no effect on the other two parties.
I've been told that my vote for a third party helped Harris in the last election... I've been told that my third party vote helped Trump in the last election.
Both can't be true.. and if they are, then I need to be arrested and jailed for voter fraud, because that means I voted three times with one vote.
Third party voters are voting their conscience, as they should, and divides nothing. -c-
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no. you don't understand the topic
first past the post means only two parties dominate. they cannibalize the platforms of smaller parties because of the math of the voting system. 3rd parties are unstable in fptp, and fade away
3rd party's only value in our voting system is to divide the left, or the right, and help the other side win
when you vote 3rd party, all you are doing is helping trump. this isn't your intention, but that is exactly what you are doing
it's just math
The "divides the vote for X party" argument only works if you assume that the third party vote already belonged to one of the two major parties to begin with - and it doesn't.
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No, it's policy. We decide to tell people not to come here, don't do business here - how will that get more people to vote for reasonable candidates?
It won't and we both know it.
Y'know what might make a difference, roust out our gerontocratic Democratic leadership - now those folks have no grasp of reality. How about not-voting for them?
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@pascaline @benroyce also sports were gendered - boys had to play rugby, football and sometimes hockey. Only the girls could play tennis which I wanted to play. And I wasn't good at swimming - again I was abandoned cos I didn't progress fast enough and left to the shallow end.
There was no choice, and I didn't like team sports.
Ha, the gendering is so stupid.
The boys were creating very cool things with wood, metal, saws, and much more. All I had was a sewing machine (if I was 'lucky') but for the rest it was knitting and so on. Boring. I mean; it can be fun and I actually like it, but I really would have loved doing something the boys did. But alas, we were not allowed.I was very good at swimming (super fast) but I was afraid to dive. So, I preferred swimming alone to avoid the bullying.
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No, it's policy. We decide to tell people not to come here, don't do business here - how will that get more people to vote for reasonable candidates?
It won't and we both know it.
i don't think canadians are ceasing to come because i got on social media and said the usa sucks
i do think canadians are ceasing to come because an orange turd got on social media and threatened to annex them
the question is why the orange turd can do that
and the answer is because enough couldn't be bothered to vote, and enough are ignorants who love bigotry, that he is in power
it's not anything we control anymore
we had control, and we blew it
we better vote next time
