Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people.
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@grumpygamer I’ve been to some talks with people from Vivaldi and they seem to be very into taking the internet back from evil megacorps. Based in Norway. They did some cool stunts a while back trying to get people off the meta:
https://www.kode24.no/artikkel/nasjonal-dugnad-for-a-hjelpe-nordmenn-vekk-fra-big-tech/262762
I still don't trust Vivaldi's closed-source part of their browser to be clean, in that sense even Brave has them beat to the part unfortunately. For now, I guess Waterfox is the least bad of the bunch -
@grumpygamer LibreWolf?
works well enough for me. IronFox on Android
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Feature wise, I think it is the most complete I know; the only thing I am missing now is container tabs. It uses the same engine as Chrome, after all.
The company is a norwegian-icelandic, employee owned, depending on donations.
@jcurioso @grumpygamer It's missing the ability to have the tabs above the URL bar. Which is the only place where they have any right to be.
Damn techno-fascism for making me endure this travesty.
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Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people. I'm running out of browsers. I worry browser are big and complicated enough these days that they will always be run by horrible people. Feels like I need to find the browser run by the least horrible people.
@grumpygamer I’ve gone back to Netscape Navigator.
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Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people. I'm running out of browsers. I worry browser are big and complicated enough these days that they will always be run by horrible people. Feels like I need to find the browser run by the least horrible people.
@grumpygamer Lots of votes for Vivaldi here, but I can't be one of them. I use it as a secondary "trash" browser (for general surfing) alongside Librewolf, but with multiple installs on different platforms, it's always been buggy for me. Freeze-ups, random shutdowns, sluggishness, etc.
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Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people. I'm running out of browsers. I worry browser are big and complicated enough these days that they will always be run by horrible people. Feels like I need to find the browser run by the least horrible people.
@grumpygamer Zen so far as the greatest track record I believe
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@snukey @GossiTheDog @grumpygamer zen is Hood, firefox with steroids
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@jcurioso @grumpygamer It's missing the ability to have the tabs above the URL bar. Which is the only place where they have any right to be.
Damn techno-fascism for making me endure this travesty.
I never liked tabs over the URL bar, even less after I got used to vertical tabs, which are much more practical with modern widescreen monitors.
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@grumpygamer is Firefox also on the bad side? They currently run an ad that they are not AI-evil.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2AoYIKwJqM
@sceneworld @grumpygamer yes, they are on the bad side
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Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people. I'm running out of browsers. I worry browser are big and complicated enough these days that they will always be run by horrible people. Feels like I need to find the browser run by the least horrible people.
@grumpygamer I've heard the Ladybird browser looks promising. However, it's not even in alpha yet.
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I never liked tabs over the URL bar, even less after I got used to vertical tabs, which are much more practical with modern widescreen monitors.
@jcurioso Suit yourself. But the url is part of the tab because it is different for each tab.
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@grumpygamer I've heard the Ladybird browser looks promising. However, it's not even in alpha yet.
@Ertain Only on Windows so far. It does look promising as long as they don't jump on the AI bandwagon.
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@grumpygamer Lots of votes for Vivaldi here, but I can't be one of them. I use it as a secondary "trash" browser (for general surfing) alongside Librewolf, but with multiple installs on different platforms, it's always been buggy for me. Freeze-ups, random shutdowns, sluggishness, etc.
I've been using Vivaldi for a couple of years on iOS (my primary computer) with only one intermittent (and minor, to me) issue with loading some websites.
99% of the time it works smoothly, for me.
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Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people. I'm running out of browsers. I worry browser are big and complicated enough these days that they will always be run by horrible people. Feels like I need to find the browser run by the least horrible people.
@grumpygamer i used Vivaldi but technical issue with my Apple devices prevented me to use them. I discovered Startpage thanks to them. So far so good and evil-free.
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@sceneworld @grumpygamer yes, they are on the bad side
@kennergf @sceneworld @grumpygamer I'm curious about this: either Firefox is run by horrible people, or it does bad things. Which (or both) is it in this case?
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Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people. I'm running out of browsers. I worry browser are big and complicated enough these days that they will always be run by horrible people. Feels like I need to find the browser run by the least horrible people.
Tor?
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@GossiTheDog
Second vote for Vivaldi. It's degoogled chr9mium, but they're good people.
@grumpygamer@JorisMeys @GossiTheDog @grumpygamer I also use Vivaldi, their browser is really nice and as far as I know I feel like they’re good people 🩷
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Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people. I'm running out of browsers. I worry browser are big and complicated enough these days that they will always be run by horrible people. Feels like I need to find the browser run by the least horrible people.
@grumpygamer #offpunk is a nice web browser maintained by #ploum who is on fedi and who is strongly anti-AI. https://ploum.net/2026-09-09-ai_policy.html
lynx and xlinks2 and others also rocks.
