Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand?

[mttaggart@infosec.exchange]

@hrbrmstr @darthnull Hell yeah. I've always really disliked the Tailwind approach. I'm the rare duck that prefers writing my own CSS.

[darthnull@infosec.exchange]

@mttaggart @hrbrmstr Even a brief look at most sites’ CSS can be terrifying. So much bloat. It’s amazing anything works at all.

Sometimes I miss the simplicity of H1-H6 and OL and all that. An occasional HR. Just plain old structured documents.

They have played us for absolute fools….

[hrbrmstr@mastodon.social]

@darthnull @mttaggart they'll pry <center></center> from my cold, dead typing hands.

[geonz@mathstodon.xyz]

@mttaggart I remember the web pages .... what was the name of the program? "Front Page" ? would make.
I hope there's room for secret nerd clubs to do it.

[drwho@masto.hackers.town]

@darthnull @mttaggart Do your projects even need frameworks?

[froge@social.glitched.systems]

@mttaggart@infosec.exchange been doing it for decades, don't see a reason to stop now tbh

[grob@mstdn.social]

@mttaggart hell yeah. Been learning a bit of Rust for quite some time. It's hard/unusual for me and I hardly have time, but I'll continue my baby steps.

[ninceur@corteximplant.com]

@mttaggart Still very much prefer learning by hand here. It's been ages but I did like the "Learn Python the Hard Way" approach. Tying the motor patterns of typing the words felt helpful at the time, even though I feel like swapping between Python and JS regularly has me forgetting either's syntax more often than I'd like...

And it's still on my list to give Rust a proper go once I have the cycles for it.

[pwloftus@pwl.farted.net]

@mttaggart I’m still poking at the keyboard. Eyes are getting a little tired of extremely verbose reviews though.

[stevenqurkel@infosec.exchange]

@mttaggart That's how I've been learning Rust and Go. It's the most effective way for me to wrap my brain around the concepts

[donaldball@triangletoot.party]

@mttaggart @drwho I been learning zig as an antidote to the llm stuff I have to do for work.

[mttaggart@infosec.exchange]

@donaldball @drwho I think I need to get on the Zig train

[catsalad@infosec.exchange]

@mttaggart We program by around here

[donaldball@triangletoot.party]

@mttaggart @drwho I don’t like all of the design choices, but I deeply respect the principled thought that seems to have gone into them.

[cafou@raru.re]

@mttaggart

I do

[tiff@hachyderm.io]

@mttaggart me. Always me

[meadow@lgbtqia.space]

@mttaggart
I do, but I do not currently have the time and energy to dedicate myself to it as I would need to.

When I've gotten enough things off of my plate, I wish to learn. I can't be any worse than Claude.

[sackofbones@kolektiva.social]

@mttaggart You're only a programmer if you program by hand so anyone who wants to be a programmer is the answer to your question

[rokabe@mastodon.social]

@mttaggart Yes.

Using LLMs to write code feels like using Google translate to have a conversation with a tribal elder. Sure, a lot of words are being said, but I don't feel like I've understood much, and quite frankly I'm insulting everyone around me.

[drwho@masto.hackers.town]

@mttaggart @donaldball So... We should move all Zig?