One of the top threads on the ClaudeAI subreddit right now: "I am done with this shit" https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1wm5c21/i_am_done_with_this_shit/
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@emma @cwebber I also have to trust a deterministic screen reader that says all kinds of wrong or unintelligible stuff every day because abled people won't care about accessibility, and I still have to get stuff done. I have to trust sighted people when they say turn left that they didn't actually mean turn right. Do you just simply trust all that you see and hear? Why do you think I also wouldn't?
For LLM output specifically, I can ask another model, or I can simply enjoy the output of whatever cat picture I have it describe, or whatever meme, or even a continuous description of the view out of a bus window.
i heard an interview about people using AI to reconstruct their voices lost to cancer/ injury/ etc with AI
i also think things like protein folding/ cosmology/ etc can benefit from AI
there are valid uses for AI
there are also *invalid* uses for AI
and we have a right to voice that, without confusing the topic with valid uses for AI
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@cwebber I really maintain LLMs are like the microwave. There are some narrow specific uses where it's good, but holy shit we're still in the "True Believers trying to make Thanksgiving dinner with them" phase.
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@jrdepriest @cwebber I did a search in my history intending to find the article I stole the microwave idea from, but apparently it was a video. Anyway, yeah, it's a popular idea because it's so darn *apt*. We used to have one of those cookbooks floating around unused until it vanished, so it really hit home.
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@cwebber as an outsider, from what I can tell having looked into it (well, not the reddit you just linked) initially the only way companies knew how to make putatively good chatbots was the extremely consumptive general pre-trained dense, large-model perceptrons of a single hidden layer.
All these people optimistically jumped onto their bobsleds, not wanting to miss out.
However once moved behind closed doors, the new multilayer perceptron ("moe") gpts benchmark while increasingly sucking.
@cwebber Similarly, I think a lot of nontechnical people went into business (bought a restaurant) after appraising that closed-source chatbot bobsleds could handle numbers decisions for them, and a large number of those naieve customers futures have been ruined by the closed, proprietary nominally profiteering replacement chatbots they later got stuck with, presented as though it was the one they partnered with while being told the new chatbot "is even better".
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i heard an interview about people using AI to reconstruct their voices lost to cancer/ injury/ etc with AI
i also think things like protein folding/ cosmology/ etc can benefit from AI
there are valid uses for AI
there are also *invalid* uses for AI
and we have a right to voice that, without confusing the topic with valid uses for AI
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The phrase "valid uses" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.
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AI is not profitable. The companies lose money each time their product is used.
The only people making money on this is the financial services sector trading stock & issuing huge loans on "possible, perhaps, maybe" future revenue AND the fossil fuel industry powering gas generators for data centers.
The product is loathed and user acceptance doesn't match the hype.
What sane business makes itself dependent on a supplier or vendor at high risk of going bankrupt?
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@cwebber Yup. The human is now the "accountability sink". Someone to blame when the AI fucks something up.
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i heard an interview about people using AI to reconstruct their voices lost to cancer/ injury/ etc with AI
i also think things like protein folding/ cosmology/ etc can benefit from AI
there are valid uses for AI
there are also *invalid* uses for AI
and we have a right to voice that, without confusing the topic with valid uses for AI
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@cwebber "you're just a condom between Claude and your production server getting fucked" is the best description of modern software engineering I've read in a while.
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The phrase "valid uses" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.
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@Dangerous_beans @thegrumpyenby @cwebber You don't believe the United Nations? What's wrong with *you*? Typical sighted person. Do the work. https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/enable/comp500.htm
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@pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber
Devin:
nobody has a problem with the disabled community using AI
i celebrate those uses. we celebrate those uses
our complaints are about all the uses of AI that harm society
you know that. you understand that difference
so there is no need to fake a conflict that does not exist
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@Dangerous_beans @thegrumpyenby @cwebber My screen reader read it, thank you.
> Whereas the concept of a special regime for certain groups has been developed during the last few years by the UN the human rights and fundamental freedoms of marginalized and vulnerable people remain vastly underserved. Persons with disabilities are often affected by this lack of protection, as many of them suffer double or multiple discrimination, due to their disability, their age and social status, for instance.
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@pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber
Devin:
nobody has a problem with the disabled community using AI
i celebrate those uses. we celebrate those uses
our complaints are about all the uses of AI that harm society
you know that. you understand that difference
so there is no need to fake a conflict that does not exist
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@pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber
yes
and you did not in your initial remark indicate you being blind was the reason for your AI use
"but that's obvious!"
ok. but can we at least say the initial conflict was about defending AI? and that people dislike that? and that if they put in the effort, they might be able to deduce why you are saying what you are saying. but this means the disagreement is simply about miscommunication and not malice?
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@pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber
yes
and you did not in your initial remark indicate you being blind was the reason for your AI use
"but that's obvious!"
ok. but can we at least say the initial conflict was about defending AI? and that people dislike that? and that if they put in the effort, they might be able to deduce why you are saying what you are saying. but this means the disagreement is simply about miscommunication and not malice?
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@cwebber "you're just a condom between Claude and your production server getting fucked" is the best description of modern software engineering I've read in a while.
