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  • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

    No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

    #AI #browser #technology #Google

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    #43

    @Vivaldi

    I'm only here for Four Seasons jokes.

    so far I've seen none.

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

      i'm calling out their toxicity

      "no, you!" is not the genius argument you think it is my best friend

      i will certainly not stop calling out this personality disorder of "demand perfect, never be supportive of good work and positive effort" whiny useless shit

      you certainly do not have to like that

      you are free to mute, block, ignore, etc to your heart's desire

      and so welcome to mastodon, and enjoy your stay

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      #44

      @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi That person just asked to change their browser engine to something other than Chromium. I don't agree at all, but it's an opinion, while you are attacking his opinion like we were on Twitter. We don't do that here, and yeah, I can block and mute you, as many people can and will do if you keep up this behavior. Welcome to the fediverse also, but stop being so toxic and telling people to just block/mute you. Be constructive and positive. Thanks.

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      • h0w25@hachyderm.ioH h0w25@hachyderm.io

        @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi That person just asked to change their browser engine to something other than Chromium. I don't agree at all, but it's an opinion, while you are attacking his opinion like we were on Twitter. We don't do that here, and yeah, I can block and mute you, as many people can and will do if you keep up this behavior. Welcome to the fediverse also, but stop being so toxic and telling people to just block/mute you. Be constructive and positive. Thanks.

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        #45

        @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

        in this life

        we are tolerant, except to the intolerant

        we are sensitive, except to the insensitive

        we are nonviolent, except to the violent

        etc

        and we are not toxic, except to the toxic

        if you are not familiar with the Vivaldi account, or other major accounts, they attract this sort of endless pit of pathetic reply guys: they fill your screen with harsh whiny demands for perfection

        never any appreciation

        they are toxic shit

        and i will call them out on it

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        • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

          No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

          #AI #browser #technology #Google

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          #46

          @Vivaldi Grazie.

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          • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

            @Vivaldi That's good to heard you won't cave into AI like the other browsers.

            What about my Vivaldi cat ear logo change? I think it would be a hit!! :3

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            #47

            @catsalad @Vivaldi CatSalad browser when?

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            • h0w25@hachyderm.ioH h0w25@hachyderm.io

              @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi That person just asked to change their browser engine to something other than Chromium. I don't agree at all, but it's an opinion, while you are attacking his opinion like we were on Twitter. We don't do that here, and yeah, I can block and mute you, as many people can and will do if you keep up this behavior. Welcome to the fediverse also, but stop being so toxic and telling people to just block/mute you. Be constructive and positive. Thanks.

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              #48

              @H0W25 @Vivaldi @YurkshireLad @benroyce@mastodon.social if your comments there are at BenRoyce (I can’t see him coz he’s blocked me and a billion others who don’t like his American Supremacist arrogance) he’s got long history of insult and profound ignorance.

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              • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

                #AI #browser #technology #Google

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                #49

                @Vivaldi

                "Using an AI to browse for you is like paying a robot to go out to dinner with your friends and give you a text summary of the evening when it gets home."

                That dinner-summary analogy hits the nail on the head. The corporate push for AI isn't about saving you time; it's about killing your curiosity so they can control the bottleneck of what you see and what you don't.

                #AI
                #browsers
                #Vivaldi

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                • appassionato@mastodon.socialA appassionato@mastodon.social

                  @Vivaldi

                  "Using an AI to browse for you is like paying a robot to go out to dinner with your friends and give you a text summary of the evening when it gets home."

                  That dinner-summary analogy hits the nail on the head. The corporate push for AI isn't about saving you time; it's about killing your curiosity so they can control the bottleneck of what you see and what you don't.

                  #AI
                  #browsers
                  #Vivaldi

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                  #50

                  @Vivaldi
                  2/
                  Without human exploration, the diversity of the web dies. But capitalism demands we replace active exploration with inactive spectatorship, turning users into passive consumers of synthesized noise.

                  They are industrialized tools built to monetize convenience by destroying human agency. It’s a relief to see at least one browser team choosing humans over the investor hype cycle.

                  #AI
                  #LLM
                  #browsers
                  #Vivaldi

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                  • jgg@qoto.orgJ jgg@qoto.org

                    @Vivaldi

                    Kudos for doing such an amazing job.

                    I wish we were to have a truly independent search engine, free and with no AI nonsense.

                    We can't have a web in our terms when the big search engines are getting us less and less genuine results each day, even these are buried by AI nonsense, and are soon to be scrapped.

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                    #51

                    @jgg @Vivaldi a search engine with actual boolean search that didn't ignore what you asked for in favor of some unknowable algorithm that is intentionally bad to make you spend more time searching would be pretty great about now.
                    I think the last big one was AltaVista before Yahoo killed it

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                    • gokushrm@mastodon.socialG gokushrm@mastodon.social

                      @Vivaldi make it open source. I'll definitely switch ✌️

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                      #52

                      @GOKUSHRM @Vivaldi
                      https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/

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                      • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                        No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

                        #AI #browser #technology #Google

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                        #53

                        @Vivaldi good choice but the statement honestly looks like something AI would construct to post on LinkedIn 😊

                        My suggested alternative is "No AI. None"

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                        • csolisr@hub.azkware.netC csolisr@hub.azkware.net
                          I'd probably switch to you as soon as you stopped being proprietary software. Can't trust your browser to not be leaking data elsewhere until we can get proper source code to analyze it
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                          #54

                          @csolisr
                          https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/

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                          • skwerlgyrl@hear-me.socialS skwerlgyrl@hear-me.social

                            @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi

                            Startpage was my choice and it works great with Vivaldi 8.0.

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                            #55

                            @Skwerlgyrl @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi
                            European?

                            Startpage uses Google as their source including their mandatory ranking.

                            If you want European the only choice is @Mojeek .

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                            • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

                              @Skwerlgyrl @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi
                              European?

                              Startpage uses Google as their source including their mandatory ranking.

                              If you want European the only choice is @Mojeek .

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                              #56

                              @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek

                              Yes, Startpage use the Google index, but not its sniffing, tracking nor logs and no AI, all behind proxy. I use it mostly for image search with better results as with others.
                              It's from the Netherlands.

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                              • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                                No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

                                #AI #browser #technology #Google

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                                #57

                                @Vivaldi
                                Been using Vivaldi with Qwant search engine, seems to work ok. Please let me know if there's a problem with using Qwant as I'm not an expert and there's multiple choices out there.

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                                • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                                  @Vivaldi That's good to heard you won't cave into AI like the other browsers.

                                  What about my Vivaldi cat ear logo change? I think it would be a hit!! :3

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                                  #58

                                  @catsalad @Vivaldi add it as another customization!

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                                  • catweazle@social.vivaldi.netC catweazle@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek

                                    Yes, Startpage use the Google index, but not its sniffing, tracking nor logs and no AI, all behind proxy. I use it mostly for image search with better results as with others.
                                    It's from the Netherlands.

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                                    #59

                                    @Catweazle @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek
                                    Yes I know it’s, like myself, from The Netherlands.

                                    The algorithm of Google, which Startpage has to use, is for me untrustworthy.

                                    I personally use @kagihq

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                                    • petesmom@kolektiva.socialP petesmom@kolektiva.social

                                      @Vivaldi
                                      Please make noai.duckduckgo a default search engine choice. I have to manually switch DDG every time I use it.

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                                      @Petesmom +1

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                                      • h0w25@hachyderm.ioH h0w25@hachyderm.io

                                        @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi That person just asked to change their browser engine to something other than Chromium. I don't agree at all, but it's an opinion, while you are attacking his opinion like we were on Twitter. We don't do that here, and yeah, I can block and mute you, as many people can and will do if you keep up this behavior. Welcome to the fediverse also, but stop being so toxic and telling people to just block/mute you. Be constructive and positive. Thanks.

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                                        #61

                                        @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                                        i'm not blocking you, jimmyb, you're blocking me

                                        if i recall our conversation which led to the rupture correctly, you were vomiting whataboutism that blames the west for russia invading ukraine

                                        i called you out harshly for your lies, as you deserved

                                        hilariously enough, that makes this "arrogant American Supremacist" more in line with average european sentiment than you

                                        but i'm glad i made an impression

                                        now stop making stupid excuses for kremlin imperialism

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                                          i'm not blocking you, jimmyb, you're blocking me

                                          if i recall our conversation which led to the rupture correctly, you were vomiting whataboutism that blames the west for russia invading ukraine

                                          i called you out harshly for your lies, as you deserved

                                          hilariously enough, that makes this "arrogant American Supremacist" more in line with average european sentiment than you

                                          but i'm glad i made an impression

                                          now stop making stupid excuses for kremlin imperialism

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                                          #62

                                          @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi what?... you really crazy right now

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