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No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

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  • jgg@qoto.orgJ jgg@qoto.org

    @Vivaldi

    Kudos for doing such an amazing job.

    I wish we were to have a truly independent search engine, free and with no AI nonsense.

    We can't have a web in our terms when the big search engines are getting us less and less genuine results each day, even these are buried by AI nonsense, and are soon to be scrapped.

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    #51

    @jgg @Vivaldi a search engine with actual boolean search that didn't ignore what you asked for in favor of some unknowable algorithm that is intentionally bad to make you spend more time searching would be pretty great about now.
    I think the last big one was AltaVista before Yahoo killed it

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    • gokushrm@mastodon.socialG gokushrm@mastodon.social

      @Vivaldi make it open source. I'll definitely switch ✌️

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      #52

      @GOKUSHRM @Vivaldi
      https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/

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      • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

        No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

        #AI #browser #technology #Google

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        #53

        @Vivaldi good choice but the statement honestly looks like something AI would construct to post on LinkedIn 😊

        My suggested alternative is "No AI. None"

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        • csolisr@hub.azkware.netC csolisr@hub.azkware.net
          I'd probably switch to you as soon as you stopped being proprietary software. Can't trust your browser to not be leaking data elsewhere until we can get proper source code to analyze it
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          #54

          @csolisr
          https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/

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          • skwerlgyrl@hear-me.socialS skwerlgyrl@hear-me.social

            @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi

            Startpage was my choice and it works great with Vivaldi 8.0.

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            #55

            @Skwerlgyrl @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi
            European?

            Startpage uses Google as their source including their mandatory ranking.

            If you want European the only choice is @Mojeek .

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            • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

              @Skwerlgyrl @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi
              European?

              Startpage uses Google as their source including their mandatory ranking.

              If you want European the only choice is @Mojeek .

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              #56

              @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek

              Yes, Startpage use the Google index, but not its sniffing, tracking nor logs and no AI, all behind proxy. I use it mostly for image search with better results as with others.
              It's from the Netherlands.

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              • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

                #AI #browser #technology #Google

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                #57

                @Vivaldi
                Been using Vivaldi with Qwant search engine, seems to work ok. Please let me know if there's a problem with using Qwant as I'm not an expert and there's multiple choices out there.

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                • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                  @Vivaldi That's good to heard you won't cave into AI like the other browsers.

                  What about my Vivaldi cat ear logo change? I think it would be a hit!! :3

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                  #58

                  @catsalad @Vivaldi add it as another customization!

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                  • catweazle@social.vivaldi.netC catweazle@social.vivaldi.net

                    @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek

                    Yes, Startpage use the Google index, but not its sniffing, tracking nor logs and no AI, all behind proxy. I use it mostly for image search with better results as with others.
                    It's from the Netherlands.

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                    #59

                    @Catweazle @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek
                    Yes I know it’s, like myself, from The Netherlands.

                    The algorithm of Google, which Startpage has to use, is for me untrustworthy.

                    I personally use @kagihq

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                    • petesmom@kolektiva.socialP petesmom@kolektiva.social

                      @Vivaldi
                      Please make noai.duckduckgo a default search engine choice. I have to manually switch DDG every time I use it.

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                      #60

                      @Petesmom +1

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                      • h0w25@hachyderm.ioH h0w25@hachyderm.io

                        @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi That person just asked to change their browser engine to something other than Chromium. I don't agree at all, but it's an opinion, while you are attacking his opinion like we were on Twitter. We don't do that here, and yeah, I can block and mute you, as many people can and will do if you keep up this behavior. Welcome to the fediverse also, but stop being so toxic and telling people to just block/mute you. Be constructive and positive. Thanks.

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                        #61

                        @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                        i'm not blocking you, jimmyb, you're blocking me

                        if i recall our conversation which led to the rupture correctly, you were vomiting whataboutism that blames the west for russia invading ukraine

                        i called you out harshly for your lies, as you deserved

                        hilariously enough, that makes this "arrogant American Supremacist" more in line with average european sentiment than you

                        but i'm glad i made an impression

                        now stop making stupid excuses for kremlin imperialism

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                          i'm not blocking you, jimmyb, you're blocking me

                          if i recall our conversation which led to the rupture correctly, you were vomiting whataboutism that blames the west for russia invading ukraine

                          i called you out harshly for your lies, as you deserved

                          hilariously enough, that makes this "arrogant American Supremacist" more in line with average european sentiment than you

                          but i'm glad i made an impression

                          now stop making stupid excuses for kremlin imperialism

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                          #62

                          @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi what?... you really crazy right now

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                          • h0w25@hachyderm.ioH h0w25@hachyderm.io

                            @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi what?... you really crazy right now

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                            #63

                            @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                            yes, i am

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                            • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                              No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

                              #AI #browser #technology #Google

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                              #64

                              @Vivaldi I ditched Brave for Vivaldi last night. A peeve is that Vivaldi is missing the ALT+D shortcut to shift input focus to the address bar out of the box as other Chromium based browsers do, but that can be configured back in manually.

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                              • bms48@mastodon.socialB bms48@mastodon.social

                                @Vivaldi I ditched Brave for Vivaldi last night. A peeve is that Vivaldi is missing the ALT+D shortcut to shift input focus to the address bar out of the box as other Chromium based browsers do, but that can be configured back in manually.

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                                #65

                                @bms48 @Vivaldi
                                Standard Cmd-L. You can easily look that up
                                via Cmd-E.

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                                • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

                                  @bms48 @Vivaldi
                                  Standard Cmd-L. You can easily look that up
                                  via Cmd-E.

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                                  #66

                                  @marc_eu @Vivaldi You're missing the point, ALT+D is in muscle memory for myself and perhaps many other users.

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                                  • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                                    No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

                                    #AI #browser #technology #Google

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                                    #67

                                    @Vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net Stop baiting users into using your proprietary Chromium fork with your CEO stanceslop and instead do something useful like release the source code zo your users can have freedom.

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                                    • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

                                      @Catweazle @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek
                                      Yes I know it’s, like myself, from The Netherlands.

                                      The algorithm of Google, which Startpage has to use, is for me untrustworthy.

                                      I personally use @kagihq

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                                      #68

                                      @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek @kagihq
                                      yes, Kagi is good, but in view of dozends of excelent search engines, I don't feel like using one that requires a registration and payment, with this it's no longer private.
                                      With those I use I find all what I want, enough to contrast results.

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                                      • catweazle@social.vivaldi.netC catweazle@social.vivaldi.net

                                        @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek @kagihq
                                        yes, Kagi is good, but in view of dozends of excelent search engines, I don't feel like using one that requires a registration and payment, with this it's no longer private.
                                        With those I use I find all what I want, enough to contrast results.

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                                        #69

                                        @Catweazle @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek @kagihq

                                        FYI: With Kagi you can pay with bitcoins, and registration doesn't require personal information.

                                        NB: Andi uses AI (...)

                                        #fuckai #noAI

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                                        • artharg@mastodon.nlA artharg@mastodon.nl

                                          @ahau @Vivaldi That is a fitting metaphor: AI as a big tidal wave.

                                          The proper response to big tidal waves is to seek higher ground and wait until the waters recede. Then you clean up the filth and debris that it has left everywhere and repair or rebuild what was damaged. In the end, you get to terms with the fact that some things and some people were irretrievably lost, and that some of the landscape has changed permanently.

                                          I’m quite sure that the current AI craze will go somewhat like that.

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                                          #70

                                          @ArtHarg @Vivaldi Ride the wave. Harness AI. It is not about computing. It is about understanding computer and everything else. There is no more barrier to any human knowledge. There is no such thing as "specialist". The AI era is like the 70s when I bought my first Apple IIe. It is like the 80s when I bought my first 80286 PC with only a 30M harddisk. It is like the 90s when I learned html and some Javascript. It is a learning experience, not just about AI, but everything else.

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