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  3. Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims.

Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims.

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  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

    Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

    baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #5

    Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

    https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

    The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

    baldur@toot.cafeB cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC goulien@mastodon.socialG 3 Replies Last reply
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    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

      Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

      skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #6

      @baldur

      Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

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      • skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS skjeggtroll@mastodon.online

        @baldur

        Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

        baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #7

        @skjeggtroll 😆

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        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

          Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

          https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

          The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

          baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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          #8

          My "lived experience" is that your shit stinks.

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            #9

            @Dangerous_beans @baldur of course it’s a racist shit with a pepe profile picture. I had view this thread in a browser window where i’m not logged in to see it, so i know i’m on an excellent instance that blocks those kinds of things.

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            • skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS skjeggtroll@mastodon.online

              @baldur

              Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

              ozzelot@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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              #10

              @skjeggtroll
              ooh that would be handy
              @baldur

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              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

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                #11

                @baldur There is a place for lived experience, but it's *way* after actual evidence.

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                • starkrg@myside-yourside.netS starkrg@myside-yourside.net

                  @baldur There is a place for lived experience, but it's *way* after actual evidence.

                  baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #12

                  @StarkRG Exactly.

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                  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                    Did not expect this to draw out the antivaxx crowd, but I should have. What a world we live in.

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                    #13

                    @baldur

                    Thanks for that. Valuable additions to my block list 🙂

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                    • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                      @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

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                      #14

                      @bremner @baldur is that the original micro aggression?

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                      • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                        @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                        baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #15

                        @bremner 😆

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                        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                          Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

                          https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

                          The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

                          cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #16

                          @baldur the problem with lived experience is it never scales symmetrically

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                          • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                            Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

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                            #17

                            @baldur Anectdotic evidence is no evidence at all.

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                            • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                              Did not expect this to draw out the antivaxx crowd, but I should have. What a world we live in.

                              petko@social.petko.meP This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #18

                              @baldur each time this happens the defederation lists get richer.

                              Edit: wow, I had 53 accounts stored from this one nazi instance... Good riddance!

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                              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

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                                #19

                                @baldur it’s also an entirely valid statement, enabling minority communities to express their struggle with racism and marginalization.

                                The fact that the pro-AI community, and frankly also the anti-vaxxers, have co-opted it is an insult to its origins. It’s at the same time making fun of the minority communities who used it as a plea for empathy and understanding, and stealing its power and trying to co-opt it to manipulate and influence. All in all reprehensible.

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                                  #20

                                  @EvolLove @baldur sorry for deleting my response. I know it's not usually done. But I just had a look at your evollove profile and nearly vomited.

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                                  • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                                    @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

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                                    #21

                                    @bremner @baldur 👏 😆

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                                    • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                                      @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                                      edbruce@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #22

                                      @bremner @baldur

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                                      • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                                        @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

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                                        #23

                                        @bremner @baldur I was having a miserable day until I saw this, thank you for making it a bit brighter

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                                        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                          Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

                                          riggbeck@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #24

                                          @baldur

                                          Any excuse to post this experimental scientific rebuttal of homeopathy. I particularly like how he skewers them on the spit of their own batshit crazy protocols. It's 'the memory of piss' to paraphrase one homeopathic justification.

                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1B2aFElfjE

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