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  • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

    do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

    my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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    #37

    I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

    it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

    the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

    there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

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    • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

      do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

      my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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      #38

      @b0rk it's also my favourite hairstyle

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      • pounce@types.plP pounce@types.pl

        @b0rk i always think hier(7) is really neat

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        #39

        @pounce that's cool, I'd never seen that

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        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

          @shnizmuffin what do you like about it? (also: you mean this one right? https://linux.die.net/man/1/rsync)

          i like that it takes a different approach to the SYNOPSIS and puts examples before the comprehensive list of all options, I haven't seen that a lot

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          #40

          @b0rk It leads with examples from most common to least common, and sorts its many options following similar logic.

          It's basically ...

          1. WTF am I looking at. (--verbose et al)
          2. Sensible defaults (--archive)
          3. How do I change one thing (--no-OPTION)
          4. Filepath stuff
          5. Link stuff
          6. Permission stuff
          7. File metadata stuff
          8. Config stuff
          9. Filter stuff
          10. Shit one person needed once
          11. --human-readable
          12. please don't run forever
          13. --version, --help

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          • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

            I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

            it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

            the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

            there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

            (2/?)

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            #41

            @b0rk @shnizmuffin if something needs a solid man page, it's probably rsync. 😄

            Destroyer of files.
            With great power comes great responsibility.

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            • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

              do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

              my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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              #42

              @b0rk@jvns.ca i often work offline, so i like long and elaborate man pages that go into every absurd detail but also note in-program help mechanisms

              • nvim because it provides a jump start to :Tutor and :help quickref
              • zshall because it explains All the syntax
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              • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                #43

                @b0rk In the attention to detail category, the BUG detailed in the NetBSD sleep(1) man page is a favourite:

                https://man.netbsd.org/sleep.1#BUGS

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                • shnizmuffin@toots.inbutts.lolS shnizmuffin@toots.inbutts.lol

                  @b0rk It leads with examples from most common to least common, and sorts its many options following similar logic.

                  It's basically ...

                  1. WTF am I looking at. (--verbose et al)
                  2. Sensible defaults (--archive)
                  3. How do I change one thing (--no-OPTION)
                  4. Filepath stuff
                  5. Link stuff
                  6. Permission stuff
                  7. File metadata stuff
                  8. Config stuff
                  9. Filter stuff
                  10. Shit one person needed once
                  11. --human-readable
                  12. please don't run forever
                  13. --version, --help

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                  #44

                  @shnizmuffin i didn’t even notice the option sorting, that’s so good

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                  • ludonaut@timetheft.socialL ludonaut@timetheft.social

                    @thomastc @b0rk glad to help 🙂

                    i regularly use that page to show the young ones at work why ^H (Ctrl-H) is backspace, ^I is tab and ^[ is literally escape, it's just a flipped bit in ascii (which i suspect is the reason the columns are laid out like that)

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                    #45

                    @ludonaut @thomastc @b0rk Is my memory making up things, or did there used to be an ebcdic(7) page as well at some time?

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                    • pounce@types.plP pounce@types.pl

                      @b0rk i always think hier(7) is really neat

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                      #46

                      @pounce Oooooh, today I learned! @b0rk

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                      • nabnux@piaille.frN nabnux@piaille.fr

                        @b0rk the one I've used the most is `man bash`, because it's not just a man page, it's the documentation for the whole scripting language!

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                        #47

                        @nabnux @b0rk many years ago I was told to read man bash. I referenced it many more times over the years. Mostly when scripting loops.

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                        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                          @thatandromeda I have a hard time with them too, that's why I've been thinking about this

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                          #48

                          @b0rk @thatandromeda Often I pipe the output of `man` into `less`, then try to search for something like -n, which returns way too many results (e.g. mentions of that option before its definition). I wonder if a better `man` could be made that would let me search through an *index* of options instead of doing a full-text search.

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                          • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                            do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                            my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                            #49

                            @b0rk Why were example usages shunned by many man pages I'll never understand.

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                            • technicaladept@techhub.socialT technicaladept@techhub.social

                              @nabnux @b0rk many years ago I was told to read man bash. I referenced it many more times over the years. Mostly when scripting loops.

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                              #50

                              @technicaladept @nabnux i think for bash specifically I might prefer to use the html bash reference manual to reference the docs https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html (which I believe has the same content but with better formatting)

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                              • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

                                it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

                                the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

                                there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

                                (2/?)

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                                #51

                                @b0rk Special shout out to the official web address, since it's got hyperlinks on all the options:

                                https://download.samba.org/pub/rsync/rsync.1

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                                • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                  I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

                                  it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

                                  the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

                                  there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

                                  (2/?)

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                                  #52

                                  @b0rk @shnizmuffin Count on Apple to f*ck things up:

                                  NAME
                                  openrsync – synchronise local and remote files

                                  SYNOPSIS
                                  openrsync [-0468BCDEFHILOPRSTWVabcdefghiklmnopqrtuvxyz] [-e program]
                                  [-f filter] [--address=sourceaddr] [--append]
                                  [--backup-dir=directory] [--bwlimit=limit]
                                  [--cache | --no-cache] [--

                                  etc.

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                                  • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                    do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                    my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                    #53

                                    @b0rk

                                    false (8) is my favourite

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                                    • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                      do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                      my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                      #54

                                      @b0rk grindr (SORRY)

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                                      • zx@chaos.socialZ zx@chaos.social

                                        @b0rk

                                        I have a soft spot for "man ascii"

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                                        #55

                                        @zx @b0rk Neat! Except that the data is in rows instead of columns, that's hard to read. I understand why, it's just a pity; so I'll still keep my ascii table printout taped to the wall 😉

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                                        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                          @d6 this is so cool, I've never looked at this before! makes me want to find out who wrote them.

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                                          #56

                                          @b0rk @d6 A cast of thousands, but I think Larry Wall and Tom Christiansen probably wrote a lot of it.

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