Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
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the usa is an fptp voting system
there can only ever be 2 parties. it's not corruption (corruption exists, but it's not the reason). it's just math:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
to get viable 3rd parties we need a new voting system, like ranked choice. then you can vote your conscience free and clear and not worry about dreary strategy
ranked choice is creeping in in places
but if you vote 3rd party *before* we get that you divide the left vote and help MAGA win
you can't vote 3rd party
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I don't agree on the necessity of Ranked Choice.
In the Presidential elections, the candidates with the most electoral votes wins.
It doesn't matter if there are 2 or 20 parties.
The system was set up before the "two parties" even existed. The first few elections were party-free; candidates published what they stood for, and people voted based on their wishes.
If you vote third party, it's because you don't agree with the left or the right, or their candidates, and that's all.
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Im doing it to, but solo. That's why I landed on Mastodon.
Is there any page or source link of this campaign?@Loksodroma @benroyce The danish camping have a home at:
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If that's the case, then voting third party would have no effect on the other two parties.
I've been told that my vote for a third party helped Harris in the last election... I've been told that my third party vote helped Trump in the last election.
Both can't be true.. and if they are, then I need to be arrested and jailed for voter fraud, because that means I voted three times with one vote.
Third party voters are voting their conscience, as they should, and divides nothing. -c-
@admin @benroyce Apparently you don’t understand how ranked choice voting works. For example, in your state, there are three candidates to choose for president. Your first choice is A, second choice is B. If your A choice fails to gather enough votes to win, then your vote would shift to B. This allows people to vote for who they want and not worry about spoilers, because if your guy/gal doesn’t make it, then your vote is not wasted. Not complicated.
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@admin @benroyce Apparently you don’t understand how ranked choice voting works. For example, in your state, there are three candidates to choose for president. Your first choice is A, second choice is B. If your A choice fails to gather enough votes to win, then your vote would shift to B. This allows people to vote for who they want and not worry about spoilers, because if your guy/gal doesn’t make it, then your vote is not wasted. Not complicated.
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So, you're saying that I shouldn't vote MY conscience, I shouldn't vote for the candidate that I believe will do the best job in office, simply so that you get your way in the election?
Essentially, you're asking me to vote the way you dictate, instead of the way I feel. Therein lies the fallacy.
The idea that my third party vote "divides" one side or the other is fallacious. My vote was never with your candidate, or the candidate you hate in the first place. Noting gets divided.
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@benroyce @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox Minneapolis is currently showing us how. Follow their lead. General strike starts in a few days.
Yes, voting is a tool. One of many. And not one we have the luxury of focusing on right now. We can worry about that in a few months once we've managed to turn things around a bit. If we can't do that then it's not gonna matter.
@admin In general, it is not productive to engage Ben Royce in this manner. Whatever he's saying that you disagree with, just subtoot it. He has a /modus votus/, and no matter how reasonable and appropriate your proposal, if it is not "vote for Democrats" in its entirety, you are undermining the message.
I, for one, think mobbing/swarming tactics, closing schools, and general strikes are entirely warranted. I also think retaliatory violence is okay. They need to be *afraid* to abduct.
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Right
@ admin doesn't seem to understand there are mathematical rules here and is acting like we're forcing our opinions on them
but what's happening is the us voting system is blackjack and they are trying to play poker
If we change the game, and go to ranked choice voting (poker), everything they say makes perfect sense
But unfortunately we're stuck at the blackjack table until we vote in those people who will change our voting system
And it is creeping in in the usa
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yup
nonvoters and MAGA are the same in the respect that they are reduced to emotional states and then manipulated when in that state to achieve a voting effect
the effect sought with MAGA is to rile them up and get them to the voting booth
the effect sought with nonvoters is to depress them and make them feel powerless, and suppress the left vote
toxic idealism, mindless cynicism, alienation, learned helplessness, etc:
fodder for the troll psyop
I was at a "No Kings" rally here in the Bangor, Maine local last summer.
The phrase "Genocide Joe" came up with one of the speakers. Not one single mention of the name Kamala Harris was spoken.
Don't get me wrong, Bernie Sanders has articulated the many problems we face. But unfortunately the 'Bernie Bros' think to fix inequality, demands Anarchy - "Burning It All Down!"
Those purist, single issue, Uncommitted, swallowed the propaganda, stayed home & gave us tRUMP.
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Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
#FIFA is holding an emergency meeting
Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)
As an American: don't come here
Don't do business with the #USA
Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates
https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/
@benroyce
Waiting for the asshole to swallow himself is a losing strategy. We need more people in the streets. Every time I go to a protest march and I could be wrong but I see mostly grey hairs. There's just not enough involvement from the general public. I recall going to Vietnam anti war protests when I was in high school. It might be difficult to get the youth to put down their phones, but I think engaging the youth could be helpful.
We also need to use tools like cyber and economic -
@admin @benroyce Apparently you don’t understand how ranked choice voting works. For example, in your state, there are three candidates to choose for president. Your first choice is A, second choice is B. If your A choice fails to gather enough votes to win, then your vote would shift to B. This allows people to vote for who they want and not worry about spoilers, because if your guy/gal doesn’t make it, then your vote is not wasted. Not complicated.
Actually, I do...
Ranked Choice means that if the candidate I do like doesn't get enough votes, then the candidates I don't like can "steal" my vote.
Now, tell me, why would I want a candidate that I don't want in office (which describes the last 8 elections - or more - in the US for me) to be able to count my vote for them, rather than for the candidate for which I wish to vote?
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@tuban_muzuru @benroyce This (don’t come to America) is a cause and effect argument. Unfortunately an element of this strategy is logic. Some of us can only learn when we see the negative results of our actions, and unfortunately we all, good and bad will suffer, but it’s the only real way to fix this. The world must treat the US as pariahs for us to collectively get the message. Some good people will unfortunately suffer more than they deserve.
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Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
#FIFA is holding an emergency meeting
Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)
As an American: don't come here
Don't do business with the #USA
Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates
https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/
@benroyce Remember to boycott any livestreams of the FIFA World Cup, as well as any other branches of FIFA, like their games division.
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Because the founders of the country weren't mathematicians. So the system is broken. And you are choosing to not understand how it is broken. We're asking you to understand the math. Did you watch the video link I sent you? It's quite good. You will understand the reality you are stuck in (again, it has nothing to do with opinions or religion, just mathematical facts)
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@tuban_muzuru @benroyce This (don’t come to America) is a cause and effect argument. Unfortunately an element of this strategy is logic. Some of us can only learn when we see the negative results of our actions, and unfortunately we all, good and bad will suffer, but it’s the only real way to fix this. The world must treat the US as pariahs for us to collectively get the message. Some good people will unfortunately suffer more than they deserve.
What's your explanation for the alienated Democratic voter - and there are a lot of us.
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Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
#FIFA is holding an emergency meeting
Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)
As an American: don't come here
Don't do business with the #USA
Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates
https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/
@benroyce 1. FIFA is a total shitshow. 2. Yes tourism should die at least until DJT and his cabal of criminals are jailed.
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Actually, I do...
Ranked Choice means that if the candidate I do like doesn't get enough votes, then the candidates I don't like can "steal" my vote.
Now, tell me, why would I want a candidate that I don't want in office (which describes the last 8 elections - or more - in the US for me) to be able to count my vote for them, rather than for the candidate for which I wish to vote?
what you just wrote is a lie
your first rank gets your vote. if they don't win, your second choice gets your vote
so you can vote your conscience, without worrying that your vote will divide the left and hand a win to trump. which is what happens with a 3rd party vote in fptp
again: fact. not opinion
why would you lie about this
it's quite obvious what it is
mathematicians have studied this. you can't deny reality just with your feelings
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No, it's policy. We decide to tell people not to come here, don't do business here - how will that get more people to vote for reasonable candidates?
It won't and we both know it.
@tuban_muzuru @benroyce Who do you think would actually want to come here for pleasure or business if there’s a good chance they’ll be detained as an enemy of Humpty “until we get to scrutinize you properly and generally abuse you, maybe send you to a foreign prison?” What a great vacation!
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what you just wrote is a lie
your first rank gets your vote. if they don't win, your second choice gets your vote
so you can vote your conscience, without worrying that your vote will divide the left and hand a win to trump. which is what happens with a 3rd party vote in fptp
again: fact. not opinion
why would you lie about this
it's quite obvious what it is
mathematicians have studied this. you can't deny reality just with your feelings
From the way I understand it, ranked choice requires all candidates to get a vote, in order....
I can't *ONLY* vote for the candidates that I want in office, I *MUST* rank all the candidates in order of preference.
If my candidate doesn't win, then my "second choice" (which isn't someone I want in office) gets my vote.
This is not how I wish to vote.
